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Re: When do you expect to see the Genesis device on the mark (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, March 07, 2003 @ 15:09:10 GMT

I believe this device is real, it would be a very elaborate hoax if it wasn't. I think this device will reach the market by 2004. Its already march 2003 and there still trying to assemble suppliers and assembly sites.

I truely belive this device will be out sooner or later.

Kudos to GWE when it does.

rather than drawing lines in the sand (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Saturday, March 08, 2003 @ 13:55:11 GMT
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Instead of marking out our positions and pointing fingers, why don't we put together a list of a few questions and get someone (I nominate Vlad) to ask them for the group and publish the interview here. Everyone should post one question, and we'll all comment on which are overlapping and what's the most compact set.

I've got two.
1 - Under normal, not stressed operating conditions, how much energy is stored in a gCell? Since this can depend on configuration, quote please in $/KWH.

2 - There is some confusion about who owns the Edison device. Is it true that United Fuel Cell Technologies owns it?

Ask GWE a question (Score: 1)
by vlad on Saturday, March 08, 2003 @ 23:24:14 GMT
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Chipotle_pickle has a good idea and I accept to pass the final compact set of questions to GWE. Please be specific, brief and do not ask questions for which there is a clear answer on their site.

I see chipotle_pickle has a real obsession with those KW per day units GWE put on their site to describe the energy rating for the Edison devices: “…The residential model is capable of producing up to 30 total kilowatts of combined gas and electrical power per day (a typical home uses between five to six kilowatts)…”

I agree, they should have used the standard unit of KWh for the total energy capability of the Edison device per day. The clue to what they meant is in the brackets because, indeed, the total daily average energy consumed by the typical American home is 5-6 KWh. I’ve seen and heard this mistake before in the public lingo and even in some “popularized” utility pamphlets; but opting for this was a bad choice for GWE.

Here is an extract from their site with statments directly related to the configuration and functioning of the device, as a refresher for you:

"The Genesis technology is so efficient that a single compact eCell stack (about the size of a gCell stack) can produce over 1000 amps of electrical current…

The Genesis eCell, like other fuel cells, produces direct current (DC) voltage. Each eCell in a stack of eCells typically produces between 1.0 volts at no load, and as little as 0.5 volts under full load. Therefore, a series of eCells is connected together into stacks to obtain the correct range of voltage the Edison Device requires to operate on a self-contained basis. To greatly simplify matters related to delivering voltage and current in a consumer usable form, the Edison Device is configured to operate only at predefined levels of electrical output. The electrical energy produced by the Edison Device is then stored in special DC batteries. When electrical energy is needed to support a customer's needs, it is then inverted into the type of electricity delivered by utility companies…

The Edison Device is designed to greatly reduce the complexity and cost of managing proper gas flows by operating only at a limited number of predetermined electrical output levels, based on the amount of electrical energy being stored in the batteries of the Edison Device at any given time…

It is easiest to think of the Edison Device as a generator that charges batteries, which can then deliver consistent levels of voltage and amperage when needed to DC to AC inverters. The DC to AC inverters in turn deliver electricity to consumers in the same form as utility companies deliver electricity…

In simple terms, the electrical generation aspect of the Edison Device is rated like traditional generators. The Edison Device's battery storage capacity is rated in kilowatt hours of reserve. Consumers should select a version of the Edison Device that allows them to meet their average kilowatt hours of consumption, with the Edison Device operating no more than 75% of maximum output. In addition to storing reserves of electrical energy, the batteries in the Edison Device also function as a method of seamlessly meeting periods of electrical demand that exceed the Edison Device's maximum electrical output. The batteries in the Edison Device are recharged at any time electrical demand is less than the output of the Edison Device…

Reserve electrical energy is stored in batteries, which will continue to provide electricity through the DC to AC inverters for a period of time even when the Edison Device is turned off. In addition, a limited reserve of hydrogen gas is stored in a small, low-pressure metal hydride container, which will continue to supply gas until depleted. Depending on each customer's needs, the Edison Device will typically be configured to store enough energy for one to two days…

Because the process development system in the photos was designed to operate with or without battery-based electrical buffering or storage and the configuration of the system pictured operates independent of batteries. Edison Devices that are intended to operate solely as generators may eventually be configured by manufacturers to be used without batteries after startup…

Genesis World Energy has been working with battery manufacturers to supply batteries that are similar to state-of-the-art solar batteries. However, the batteries GWE will specify for use with Edison Device systems will be maintenance free, will not suffer from the effects of sulfation and will be warranted by manufacturers for the service life of the Edison Device."

2006, 2007, 2008, never? (Score: 1)
by TilEulenspiegel on Sunday, November 27, 2005 @ 21:45:21 GMT
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Such unrealistic assesments made here.


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