So is Stephen Hawkins wrong or is Einstein wrong?

[Cryptoscientia]

Here is an interesting problem with the big bang, According to Einstein “No Matter can travel faster then the speed of light.” I bet almost all scientists agree with this statement. Now if Stephen Hawkings (Extremely accomplished physicist, for those how don’t know him), the main inventor of the “Big Bang Theory” says that “all mass started at a single point in space (singularity) and then expanded in just a fraction of a second to fill the universe.” Well, at least I have a problem with that, if matter CANNOT travel faster then the speed of light, how can that matter travel to “fill all parts of the universe”?
Then it is OBSERVED that the universe is still expanding and lots say that “that expansion is going faster!” Well I got news for all those who say that,

V=at=c (speed of light)
V=Velocity
A=Acceleration
T=time

Let’s just say that it is accelerating at 1 g (1 of earth’s gravity). This is not too fast, comparatively speaking. So:
A=32.2 ft/sec2
C=186000 mps
So that makes T=30.5*10^6 sec
Or 8472 hours or ~353 days to accelerate to speed of light, and scientist say that it has been going faster, so that was a few years ago, even at 1 of the moons gravity would take ~ 6 years to reach speed of light.
Does this make any one else wonder if Einstein or Stephen Hawkings is wrong, or maybe the equation V=at is wrong or maybe leading scientist just overlooked something or maybe I’m crazy or MAYBE WE JUST DON’T KNOW! I got the info of the big Bang from one of Stephen Hawkins’s book(and in the same book he says no matter goes faster then light) and the other(V=at=c and Einstein theory of relativity) from one of my physics text book, I put the two of them to gather and get confused.
Just a thought….
Cryptoscientica

[pajaz]

just a few thoughts.
I belive that mater cant travel faster then the speed of light as u say, but what if u could make matter into other types of energy and the matter would not be matter anymore but a type of light energy, this theory is explained in a movie on video.google named "Evidence: The Case For NASA UFO's" and he also relates this to UFO:s and how they think they works.

Also i read somewere that some ppl think that all matter is in basic energy and it is just representation is the form of matter that we can see all around us in the universe. If this would be true then matter == energy in both ways, Then according to the movie i mentioned above they say that energy Can accelerate If u have like infinite energy (be able to tap into the Zero point energy) to speeds faster then the speed of light Because u dont have any matter anymore that needs to be accelerated, that gets affected by things in the universe.

Then go into the Zero point energy theory that infinte energy or more, exists all around us and the universe existst around that energy. And connect it to that the matter is a manifistation of energy, if that Matter/Energy could use the infint Zero point energy could it not be able to accelerate to near infint speeds and expand across the universe and maybe beoynd in like zero time?

this would maybe work if all the theorys above would exists in the reality and work. Its just thought and nothing i can prove or anything.

[QuantumArtist]

I definitely think that matter and energy are 2 totally different things. That matter at its most indivisible and basic level is merely a point or place where action occurs.

When I consider matter trying to travel at the speed of light, all I can only say that what we SEE is merely our ability to comprehend matter traveling at that speed. I think the REALITY is that its all existence is more like a pixilated video game where each pixel represents an action or thing and changes constantly to give the illusion of various actions over time.

Matter traveling at faster then light may happen constantly for all we know. But in relation to my analogy... how would you pixilate that into the video game of life so that the "players" can conceive the action?
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[Cryptoscientia]

Hello,

“but what if u could make matter into other types of energy and the matter would not be matter anymore but a type of light energy” pajaz

The stuff that makes up Zero Point Energy is what I like to call Ether, (really I could call it goose feathers or whatever, just know when I say ether I mean the realm of ZPE). Don’t get confused, ether (ZPE) is different then what we think of as energy, we know this because it follows different rules then “common” energy and it is a SOURCE of energy, but is different then energy. Well, I think of ether as a cloth almost, that goes out in every direction infinitely. It you can imagine just tugging it, because it is all connected the point of where it was tugged, the tugging action also effects points far away infinitely, it never traveled more then as far as you tugged it, however the effect goes on infinitely in the direction of the tugged point. So it you tried to run super far and as fast as you could, the Resistance of you traveling through the ether will slow you down and could NEVER reach speeds of that of light, however if you become an “light” or some kind of “energy” or “out of phase with the ether” you do not need to follow the rules of matter because you are not matter any more in terms of the ether. As Matter approaches the speed of light the mass will approach infinite, the is due to the “drag” of the ether.
I think that Matter possibly could cause ether to stretch or expand (or possibly contract...), so where matter is the ether present becomes strained somehow. It may explain why some test fails to prove ether (ZPE) or why gravity (no such thing as the graviton) is present were matter is, you must mutilate the ether on its level or the ether will not respond.

“And connect it to that the matter is a manifestation of energy, if that Matter/Energy could use the infinite Zero point energy could it not be able to accelerate to near infinite speeds and expand across the universe and maybe beyond in like zero time?” pajaz

I believe that all matter or anti matter is a manifestation of stable Ether (what I call the stuff that makes up Zero Point Energy) there is the four basic stable matter types: Protons and Electrons and Positron and Anti-protons. Everything else (known as of now...) is mostly unstable. Light is another manifestation of ether, and in any one time there cannot be 0 energy or matter or ether, everything is saturated in it. So you know E=mc2 I also think there is an Ether= Energy and Mass (of course I’m making the relationship of Ether to Mass and Energy, just like Energy is related to Mass, I don’t want people to think that I mean Ether=EM), so if you could manipulate the ether you can change it. If you could control ether then you could travle to light speed, becouse you could control the Matter to change it to whatever you like.

“I definitely think that matter and energy are 2 totally different things. That matter at its most indivisible and basic level is merely a point or place where action occurs.” QuantumArtist

I defiantly agree, I think the “action” could be the stabilized ether(?). That causes it to have its own rules when it is stabilized. Energy is something else; I still have trouble trying to figure out exactly what it is, but I think it is defiantly intertwined with Matter and Ether and I have my own theory about it.

“When I consider matter trying to travel at the speed of light, all I can only say that what we SEE is merely our ability to comprehend matter traveling at that speed.” QuantumArtist

I agree it all relative….


Here is something cool and kinda related…
Di-positronium: Positron and Electron
This new form of matter is an electron and positron that circle each other. Here is the whole story-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6991030.stm

Thanks,
Cryptoscientia

[QuantumArtist]

I say this. Energy is action. Its a verb.

Matter is a place or thing being defined by the action. Like a noun.

This is why I say that matter is really just a point where action happens. The actions define it, give it bounds and plausible outcomes. Action by itself is nothing without something doing it. Matter is just as dependent upon energy because it does nothing and therefore IS nothing without a state of being.

Heres another thought. Matter is SO dependent upon action for definition, that even static states require definition as being a lack of action.

The ether you speak of, I believe is put most simply as "the verb" of everything in the universe. A carrier particle of any event we observe is ultimately ruled, governed and defined by its action. We have been so focused on this particle matter pursuit that we've overlooked the most glaring observation to be had...

No matter how small the particle is... its still "behaves" in certain ways. Its governed by a power unknown, unseen, and incomprehensible as anything other then a verb... action.

THAT is your ether. THAT is where you will find the zero point. Think less about the nouns of life, and more about the verb that defines it.

Only in looking there will you find key to harnessing it.
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[Cryptoscientia]

Einstein had written that space-time is being equivalent to a fourth dimension. If this is a part of reality, then it would be difficult to notice if we only considered the three-dimensional condition.
Reality is a multi-dimensional palace, who knows we could maybe “see” or “detect” only a few out of an infinite possibilities. Everything about physics would be correct, and all of our calculations would be correct, but they could be very incomplete.
Think of it this way, if you had been in a boat and let’s say you had a camera. Well you would say the camera is “still”, where in reality it has more energy then you could imagine. First the mass can be put into Einstein’s equation: E=mc2, then you calculate the energy gained by speed of the boat, then add in the speed of earth revolving(in place) and then quite possibly the speed of earth going around the sun. What about the energy of any light hitting the camera? You end up with more energy then you would have thought, let’s say the boat is the “realm (or dimension)” that all our physics exist in that realm. Well what about outside the boat (other dimension)? Or our earth that spins that would make the boat faster (yet another dimension)? Would “other” physics describe those other dimensions?
Let’s take: E = mc2
E is energy
m is mass
c is the speed of light( 3 x 10^8 meters/second)
Most physicists say that this shows mass can be converted into energy. They are right in saying this. But the relation is much more than that. It means that nature cannot tell the between energy and mass, to nature it is the same. If something contains energy, it behaves just as if it also contained an equivalent amount of mass as given by the above relation.
This is why when a photon (which contains no rest mass, but does contain energy) from a far away star passes near the sun on its way toward earth, the gravitational field of the sun causes the photon's path to be bent just as if it had mass and was being attracted by gravity pulling on the photon's mass.
If energy is present, the effect is identical to the effect that would be caused by the equivalent amount of mass. It could be a great explanation for the elusive “dark matter or energy”.
So the mass of our sun is around 2 x 10^30 kilograms, and there are about 200 billion solar masses in all the stars, planets, and clouds of dust and gas in the Milky Way.
So we can say: (200 x 10^9 solar masses)(2 x 10^30 kilograms per solar mass), so we can conclude that the mass of the Milky Way Galaxy must be about 4 x 10^41 kilograms.

E = (4 x 10^41 kilograms)(3 x 10^8 meters/second)^2 so

E = 3.6 x 10^58 Joules

If you ever watched star trek you would have seen the machine that you just ask it what you want to eat and in a blink of an eye you get it. Most people think it to change energy directly into mass of the desired object, so if we had 3.6x1058 you could “make” our Milky Way galaxy.

Here is this equation: v = fW

The wavelength W of a wave is the distance from one crest, or high point, to another.

The frequency f of a wave is the number of vibrations per second.

The speed v of a wave is how fast it travels forward.

So hold that thought…

There is also: E = hf

Energy E of light is directly proportional to its frequency f.
In this relation h is Planck's constant and has the value 6.6 x 10^34 joule*seconds.

Now we have theses three equations:
E = hf

c = fW

E = mc2

If we solve for f in the second equation: f = c/W and substitute into the first equation, and also substitute for E the value matching E = mc2 then the first equation becomes:
mc2 = hc/W

Multiply by W to get:
Wmc2 = hc

Divide by c to get:
Wmc = h

Solve for W to get:
W = h/mc

Since particles generally travel slower than the speed of light, we can substitute the speed v into the above relation for the speed of light c to get:

W = h/mv

This relation was soon tested and found to apply to electrons, and later to protons and even entire atoms. Particles have wavelengths. Particles have wave properties.
Since particles also have a wave nature, the first relation above applies to both particles and waves. Also, remembering that nature cannot tell the difference between energy and it corresponding matter, this relation applies to all physical examples in nature.
We should think of free space not as an empty nothing, but rather as a foam of quantum fluctuations or what I call Ether and what Quantumartist called the "verb". Because of the wave-particle duality and because of the mass-energy duality, these bundles of free space contain properties of energy and mass.
If this Ether can be transferred into our three-dimensional “realm”, they can also be transferred in reverse. It may be possible to "ride" in thequantum fluctuation at speeds greater then c.
Imagine we would consider transferring energy, forces, and momentum into and out of the quantum fluctuation of the vacuum. Even in a cubic centimeter of space there is an insane amount of energy!!!

[QuantumArtist]

I tend to keep things much more simple. I don't think that life consists of some unknown dimension. I think that this matter and energy (again noun and verb) works together to build all of life as we know it, much like a video game...

You see, video games rely heavily on visual imagery to represent concepts to the player. In order to do this, graphic images are created with "pixels". A pixel is merely a point on your screen that changes color. These points mean little to nothing to the player by themselves. Collectively however, these pixels form up to create imagery that has meaning to the player.

Matter works like a pixel. Its just a point in space where action occurs. Nothing more. When action occurs at a point, the matter represents that action, and along with other adjacent points doing the same thing, ultimately build up the universe as we (the players) can see and understand it.

I suspect time works in similar fashion to a video game. You see, your monitor doesn't show a constant image. Its actually presents a series of frames that change constantly to help build up the illusion of motion. The frames change at a rate which is faster then the human eye can see, so we see a solid, moving image, though it is not.

I suspect time is also merely action acting upon matter (the pixels of life) at a super fast frame rate.

Boom!

A theory of everything that makes sense without some crazy math.
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[Cryptoscientia]

When you talk about the matter and energy as a video game with players, I understand what you mean there and I can even see how it could fit into my theory. However when you said, "I suspect time is also merely action acting upon matter (the pixels of life) at a super fast frame rate." (QuantumArtist)
I would have to disagree, I tend to think of time as those quantum fluctuations of ether (I have talked about) as time, not necessarily “physically” themselves, but the quantum fluctuations as they change make time. Those quantum fluctuations of ether NEVER stop or NEVER cease to exist in any point in time. They are always there and always changing and always in existence everywhere.
In "action acting upon matter (the pixels of life) at a super fast frame rate" gives the chance of the 'action' and the 'energy' to not exist for the short time (or even long time) for the next change to start. As in the TV if we were to watch it in "slowed time" we would see colors of the pixels Start at a location and slowly move up filling in the blank nothingness of the screen. If time were similar then I would conclude that it would start at one point(or a few points) and work is way out in all directions filling in the 'nothingness' of space.

It actually makes for an intrusting theory, because the time it takes for the 'pixels' to fill the desired space (next change) everything would ceases to exist and it may even take millions of years to fill space (in slowed time looking at a TV, it slowly fills until the full picture is there and then wam! it starts all over again), however for us it may be just .00000000001 of a second. Even if it were .(one million zeros)1 everything would cease to exist for perhaps millions of years to fill up the space before the 'next change.'
And you see that when something has the action acting upon it, it will remain unchanged until the 'full picture' appears, then everything ceases to exist for a super short time then the cycle will start all over again.

I think that for things to blink in and out of existence is impossible; there is a particle in particle physics that appears to "blink" in an out of existence; however I believe it blinks in and out of our dimension. So there are infinite dimensions it exists in, so to us it appears to cease to exist, however it exist in other dimension.

I also think there is such thing as anti-time. Mainly because there are anti-particles and everything seems to have an 'anti' or opposite. Anti-time would not work in the pixel theory (or at least I couldn’t think of how it could work). But for the quantum fluctuations of ether, it would be the reverse fluctuation. Because it seems to us that all time goes forward only, we exist in that ether 'pool' that goes infinitely in all directions. But anti-time would exist in anti-ether; some propose that black holes make time go in reverse, sucking all matter and energy and in my theory, all ether. I think black holes are anti-ether bubbles, because if ether is where ZPE fluctuations exist and produces energy and produces positive time, then anti-ether would be a ZPE fluctuation that sucks energy and produces negative time.

[Cryptoscientia]

Also in the dimensions, the ether is layered -+-+-+- so on and so forth, each just a fraction "out of phase" with ours. The reason it is hard to travel to dimensions is we would have to skip every other one, because the one next to us is - (anti-ether, anti-matter, anti-time) so it seems to poses infinite energy to us because of it (remember nature cannot tell the difference between energy and mass, E=mc2). Because there is one on each side, we are sandwiched between two -, it appears impossible to travel to it. But who knows, we might some day. By the way when you get to another + one who knows what you will find...

[QuantumArtist]

That they cease to exist until the next frame is complete is not what I had in mind. I think its more like an LCD monitor where the pixels stay colored but change at the next frame. Actually, there are a few scientists that are beginning to think this about time, thats its basically life being made up of slices (or frames in my analogy), each one being slightly different from the last giving the ILLUSION of time. Matter (the pixels) create the image as dictated by action.

Though I kind of like your thoughts on everything waiting or even ceasing to exist between frames of life. There are a few scientists that go along with this as well. Something to do with the big bang and such. Its an amusing thought.

As far as dimensions are concerned. Nobody has really explained to me what that is supposed to mean beyond hight, length, width, or possibly time. Vague dimensions sound to me like the new god theory... the easiest way to explain to those paying the research tab what you can't really explain. It must be a dimension! Every time I hear mention of some dimension, I think of science fiction, not science.

This having been said, I think I should also state that what I believe about matter being infinitely small, allows for just about anything we can conceive to exist in the space between atomic particles. For all we know, whole universes carry on in those spaces! How would we know? Its infinitely small!

THAT makes sense to me. Some vague dimension does not.
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I'm not going to think you're right till you give me good reason to change my mind!
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[Cryptoscientia]

Thanks QuantumArtist for you opinion, it good to hear what others think. I see your point about the dimensions. I to also think that matter is infinitely small as well, who knows universes may exist between the small points between atoms. I see what you’re saying about the LCD (not TV) where it just changes instead of "Blinking” that makes more sense to me.

Let me explain my point of view of dimensions, dimensions are the parameters used to describe the position and relevant characteristics of any object within a space somewhere. Time can be added as a 4th dimension, were as “speed" of anything is just a calculation from a comparison between the times associated with any two points in space. "Speed" is not a dimension, but rather a calculation based on points in a dimension. We can see, calculate, change and feel the length, height and width, where as time is just something we notice, but cant see or feel or change(yet), however we can calculate it some what(seconds, years...).

When I said:
"Also in the dimensions, the ether is layered -+-+-+- so on and so forth, each just a fraction "out of phase" with ours.”

and

"I think that for things to blink in and out of existence is impossible; there is a particle in particle physics that appears to "blink" in an out of existence; however I believe it blinks in and out of our dimension. So there are infinite dimensions it exists in, so to us it appears to cease to exist, however it exist in other dimension."(Myself)

If you can imagine two strings on a violin, if you pluck one, it's as if the other strings have no clue it is there, but if you press your finger to that same string, changing the frequency to a note that exist on an other string you get resonance between the two strings. (It’s similar to the current string theory) but my theory says that the stuff vibrating or the strings ARE ether infinitely big in all directions (fills everything) and infinitely small (still filling all things). Just like the vibrating string it has no clue that the other ones are there, there are OUT OF PHASE of each other (unless there is some form of resonance). I did not put dimensions in an unusual or unknown place, just said they exist.

I think there are other (infinite) dimensions vibrating at each there own frequency and there are infinite frequencies thus there are infinite dimensions. However you may find another universe in a dimension or you may find energy or whatever!

[Cryptoscientia]

When a violin plays a musical note, the note does not have exactly ONE frequency, but rather a range of frequencies. The frequency is uncertain. It does not have precisely one value.
For example, if a violin player desires to play the musical note matching "middle C" we would assume the frequency to be 256/second.
The amount of the uncertainty depends on how long a time the note is played. For example, if the length of time the note is played is 1 second, then the amount of uncertainty in the frequency is 1/second, and the actual frequency can be any amount between 1/second above 256/second, or 1/second below 256/second, or between 255/second and 257/second.
If the note is very long, say 5 seconds, then the uncertainty drops to .2/second, and the actual frequency can be any amount between 255.8/second and 256.2/second.
The longer the note is played, the smaller the uncertainty of the frequency. This is the reason why when an orchestra wants to tune their instruments to match the first violin, the violin player plays a very long note. The greater the time, the smaller will be the uncertainty of the frequency. ( delta, is the little tryangle in math that means 'change of' I could not figure out how to make it appear...)

If (delta)f is the uncertainty or range of frequency and (delta)t is the amount of time, then the product of the two values is the number one.
(delta)f(delta)t = 1


Using the relation for frequency and time, and lets add E=hf:
(delta)f(delta)t = 1

E = hf

Substitute for f in the first relation, its equivalent or E/h from the second equation and we get:
(delta)E(delta)t = h

When elementary particle researchers investigate the sea of virtual particles that surrounds every atomic nucleus, they deal with virtual particles that are normally only present for a short time.

They only exist in our dimension because they have resonance for an extremely short time.
See(were I got some of the info, they said it clearer then I could of)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_Principle
http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/physics/quant/node1.html
http://www.geocities.jp/imyfujita/wtcuncertain.html

[QuantumArtist]

I guess its too Star Trek, even for me...

My primary issue with dimensions is that there is nothing documented about them. There is none because its all conjecture that they even exist. Those that profess they do, merely HOPE they do. Even if they did, how could you prove it? Their very nature could defy everything we know about ours. That presents its own problem. See an event you cant explain? Its a new dimension!

Dimensions are the easy way out of tough scientific questions. I'm bringing it back to reality. I firmly believe existence is much more easy to understand. I believe its even disappointingly simple and that its right in front of our faces. If not completely so, at least the part of physics and the universe that is USEFUL to us on this understanding of existence.

Which brings me to my other big problem with dimensions... even if they do exist, will knowing it power my car, pay my bills or save our environment? How do you plan to tap into another dimension so that we can use it in ours?

One other thing to consider. When Einstein and the thoughtful guys down in New Mexico helped to build the first atom bomb, they weren't at all certain at the time that unleashing a nuclear reaction on the earth would ever stop! For all they knew, we'd all be in cinders, but they went and tested it anyway! We got lucky! Now here we are talking about dimensions...

I really think science should spend less time on Star Trek, and a whole lot more on our plane of reality.
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I'm not going to think you're right till you give me good reason to change my mind!
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[Cryptoscientia]

Well I'm not using dimensions to get the "easy way out of tough scientific questions" I only propose that the dimensions are variations in frequencys of ether. The only reason they are out of touch with our reality is because they are not in resonance or in phase with our reality, I did not mean to sound that the unlimited energy is all in the other dimension, there is plenty of energy in the ether all around us to last forever (energy forever) even in a square cm, and even more in other dimensions to last for another 'forever'.

I think that dimensions do make a good guess for now, because there is nothing else to describe some actions of matter.

Just like there is no proof for them, there is also no proof against them.

I simply say that they exist with pools of ether infinitely large in all directions, they may have there own physics or whatever.

BUT I agree with the fact that if we were to tap into the energy we would have no clue if it would destroy the world (or solar system or even larger....) there may be no way around it or maybe there could be, it’s any one's guess...

I really not trying to star trek things, but that what I think about dimensions, I won’t change my mind until someone shows me otherwise. I may not be able to prove it (for now) but it seems to me to make sense, I defiantly DO NOT BELEAVE THAT SOMETHING JUST CEASES TO EXIST (I absolutely believe in at least two things, quantum fluctuations of ether (ZPE) and something just stopping it’s existence, it can't happen)!!! That will never change, however I could give up the dimension theory if some one could explain certain things to me in a way that would make simple sense.

[LariAnn]

The question of the existence of dimensions is salient to the possible development of overunity devices, especially because of the mathematics so often used to "prove" or "disprove" the feasibility of such devices.

You see, dimensions are a conceptual way of deriving the finite from the infinite. The commonly accepted coordinate system (e.g. x, y, z axes) is a three-dimensional construct, with each of the axes representing one dimension. Which dimension? Well, whatever dimension you choose to designate as measured by the axis in question!

This whole area of discussion is really ripe for revolutionary discoveries, but not until the investigator moves beyond the fundamental erroneous assumption that the center of any coordinate axis system is 0, or nothing, and that "negative" is on one side of the 0 and "positive" is on the other side on any given axis. These two "differences" should be properly understood as simply means of distinguishing which "side" of the center the measurement is to be made along, not as opposites to each other.

I propose that the center of all coordinate axes should be the One, or infinity/infinity, and that there are no "negatives" or "imaginary" numbers (such as the square root of -1) on any coordinate axis. Therefore, the differences on each side of center are directional, not value, differences. Finite measurements have meaning only when compared to each other; when compared to the center, they all are infinitesimal relative to the Center, or infinity; the center being infinity/infinity, or the One, not 0.

Now, why is this important to the development of overunity? The concept of overunity touches on the existence of a potential infinite "sea of energy" in the vacuum, and so we need a mathematics that has infinity as a central part of it. So long as 0 is the center, we cannot develop mathematics to describe the infinite sea of energy, and thus we cannot develop and understand true overunity. The mystics have known this all along; we as technologists must learn it before we can turn it into real workable technology.

LariAnn
http://fractalicawakening.com/infinit1.htm