Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 111 Location: San Jose
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:21 am Post subject: Quantums Grand Theory
Introduction
Well, I thought it was time I shared my very simple theory on what Zero Point Energy really is. Again, I'm not a learned individual in the physics world. I’m a hobby theorist, and as such, I tend to keep things very simple. What you see here is just some rationalizations which I initially received in a dream (it was a whopper of a dream!) and later contrived by very simple “if this, then that” reasoning. Forgive me if it is annoyingly elementary or just plain out there. I strongly believe the answer we’re all looking for is right in front of our face, and all we need to do to see it, is reevaluate the basics.
I’m hoping you will give it some serious thought and constructive feedback. I welcome your input and hope that this may open your minds to a new perspective on ZPE. You just never know when half a concept leads someone else to the whole concept! Hope you like what you read!
A moment to think about matter and energy
I’ve explained this before in one thread, but I felt it was worth mentioning here for purposes of establishing a basis for this theory. It’s important that you understand what I mean when I mention energy.
I relate matter and energy to a sentence.
You see, a sentence is made of a noun and a verb. In fact, a sentence cannot be complete without both a noun and a verb. A noun, as I’m sure you know, is a person, place, or thing. This is just like matter. A verb is an action, which is just like Energy.
You cannot just say a noun and have the sentence be complete…for example if I said “Albersawa”. Albersawa what? Did he run? Did he jump?
You also cant just say a verb and have the sentence be complete… for example, if I said “jump”. OK… what’s jumping?
All of existence works the same way if you think about it. Matter is like a noun. Energy is like a verb. For existence to be complete, you must have both. Matter is not complete without energy, just as a sentence is incomplete without a noun and a verb.
In fact, this relationship between matter and energy is so important that you can scarcely name a noun without implying an action for which it exists to perform. A ball, rolls or bounces. A bird flies. An electron spins.
It’s so interrelated that it’s hard to separate sometimes. For example, Light. Light is not energy. It’s a manifestation of energy upon a photon. A photon is just matter, just like an electron. The difference is the action being manifest upon the photon makes it light instead of electricity.
Regardless how small a particle of matter is, there is always an unexplained “force” making it behave in certain ways. Whenever we speak of energy, we tend to relate it to the particle we see performing the action. Truth is, this is not action… this is a particle REACTING to the action force.
It is imperative that you remember this throughout the rest of this post! Particles, carrier or otherwise, are just matter! Matter and energy are totally different and completely separate.
The existence of fundamental energy without matter
I believe that the true “power” in the universe, this action power, exists in space, and does not need matter to exist. However, it does need matter to be complete and to manifest itself.
My support for this concept comes from gravity. Gravity exists in space, pulling planets into orbits, drawing things to bodies of matter constantly, even in deep space where very little matter exists- if any. How is this done without matter? Nearly every force which has been mapped out by modern physics is carried through matter. Every force that is, except gravity, which somehow bends the otherwise straight trajectories of entities traveling through space where no matter exists. Gravity is the only force physics does not understand.
How is this gravity action done without a carrier particle? What if the gravity force doesn’t have a carrier! I contend there is no graviton! Keep this thought in mind for later!
What if all energy existed in space/time, without matter?
If you think about it at the most fundamental level of matter and existence, this must be true. Wherever the most indivisible unit of matter exists, action exists somewhere else, acting upon the matter.
Keep in mind though, for us to witness an energy event, matter must be nearby for us to see the outcome manifested.
If all fundamental energy existed independent of matter, it would explain why we see energy manifestations, even in areas where there is no matter, like in deep space, or in the space between sub atomic particles.
Properties of fundamental energy
So, what governs this action force? I believe there are 3 different types of fundamental energy. We’ve witnessed a common trend in polarity of energy manifestations. It’s hard to say for sure if fundamental energy is polar in nature. I believe it is, and offer the following equations for your consideration.
Keep in mind that when you see +1, I’m referring to 1 unit of positive energy. I am not attempting to define how “big” that unit is. Considering that we’re talking about fundamental energy, its not like I can pour it into a cup and hand it to you. It’s just to say that however big +1 units of energy is… that’s what +1 represents. It’s a relative representation of energy.
Opposites attract
We know that positive and negative forces attract. A very simple equation for this is;
(+1)+(-1)
This represents the desire of polar forces to meet. Its elementary, but its accurate.
Redefining zero!
Unfortunately, if opposites attract, eventually they must meet (which I believe they do AT points of matter). When they do… what is the outcome? Well unfortunately it comes out like so;
(+1)+(-1)=0
Ut oh! Now we’ve done it! We’ve gone and violated the 2nd law of thermodynamics! Energy is not lost or created. How then is this equation true? Then again, how is it not?
We’ve hit a paradox ladies and gentlemen.
You see, if energy is attracted, it stands to reason that they will ultimately meet. When they do, is the energy eliminated? Do they cease to exist? Isn’t that what the zero represents?
No, it doesn’t!
What if zero didn’t represent nothingness, but instead represented the value of GREATEST ATTRACTION? That would make our equation true… because we already know that +1 and -1 are opposites, and that opposites attract. The value of this simple representation will become increasingly apparent the more you read this post.
Every time you see an equation in this post where the result is zero, remember that zero represents attraction!
Polar repulsion
This equation is really just to point out how accurate this simple representation of polar forces is. We know that polar opposite energies attract. We also know that like forces repel each other. Well, lets put that up to our equation!
(+1)+(+1)=2
(-1)+(-1)=-2
Well, check that out! It’s not zero! Remember, zero is the value of greatest attraction. Since these forces put together equal a value of 2 positive or 2 negative, they must not be attracted, because zero is the value of attraction.
The existence of a NEUTRAL energy!
Check this out! Lets take our first equation, where opposites attract and equal zero…
(+1)+(-1)=0
Well, OK. So we’ve established that zero is the value of greatest attraction. That still doesn’t really answer what happens when polar forces meet. Well, this equation will!
(+1)+(-1)=(±1)
Sorry if the ± symbol represents something else. I mean it to represent an entity which is both + and – at the same time. Its been a long time since I saw this concept in math and cant remember what its called, but like any theorist, I do remember the concept governing how this (±1) entity is treated.
You see, this is an entity all its own. Imagine it as positive and negative energy that’s been fused together. Think of it as a completely separate power. Its not positive, its not negative. It’s both. In so being, it’s completely polar neutral.
So, how does a polar neutral force behave?
Well, lets go back to our equations!
Polar/Neutral indifference
I love this one, it explains so much that confounds physics today. Take a look at this equation;
(+1)+(±1)=(+1)+(±1)
Holy cow! When a polar energy is added to a neutral energy, the result is the exact same! You see, you cant add polar entities to an entity that is both. The sum is the same as the original equation. The reason for this is the -1 residing in the neutral. It doesn’t just go away, and remains fused to one of the +1 entities. Therefore the result is the same.
Conclusion, since the result of this equation is not zero- or the value of greatest attraction, Neutral and neutral entities COMPLETELY IGNORE EACH OTHER.
The Neutral Energy punch line
Here is where these equations start to map out the one force in existence that Physics doesn’t understand. Gravity. Take a look at this!
(±1)+(±1)=0
BAM! You can add neutral entities together. You can quantify them by writing ±20, ±50, or however many you want, but in terms of ATTRACTION they all equal 0.
Neutral energy is attracted to itself.
This is just like gravity. Gravity is attracted to itself. The larger a body of gravity is, the more things are attracted to it. Furthermore, Gravity seems to exist regardless of the existence of strong polar forces. We’ve already established with my equation above that there is a polar/neutral indifference.
Gravity my friends. That’s the zero point. More accurately, its Neutral.
Conclusion
[list]OK there it is! I have a few more ideas about things, but this is the core of my theory. Again, I keep it simple... or I try. If you have questions, by all means ask them. I like questions because they allow me to clarify things, and to mention things I may have forgotten. So by all means ask!
Hope you like it. _________________ QuantumArtist. Proud high school graduate. Part Science, part artist, all bullsh*t
I'm not going to think you're right till you give me good reason to change my mind!
(Your education is not a good reason)
Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 111 Location: San Jose
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:25 am Post subject:
Oh and you may certainly share the idea with others, but please remember to give credit where its due! If theres any merit in this idea, I'd appreciate the recognition. I have alot of other ideas to go with this concept.
Oh, and if you'd like to use the ± symbol, its the alt key + 241 from your number pad. _________________ QuantumArtist. Proud high school graduate. Part Science, part artist, all bullsh*t
I'm not going to think you're right till you give me good reason to change my mind!
(Your education is not a good reason)
Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 111 Location: San Jose
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:12 am Post subject:
Correction with this sentence;
Quote:
Conclusion, since the result of this equation is not zero- or the value of greatest attraction, Neutral and neutral entities COMPLETELY IGNORE EACH OTHER.
I meant to say that neutral energy completely ignores POLAR energy.
Lets say, for fun, you go to the north pole. At the north pole, you are exposed to all the polar forces of the planet earth... which could feasibly throw you out into space like 2 magnets which are plarly opposed. Yet, for all the power of the entire planet, and all the polar force it can muster at that point, you are still stuck to the surface of the earth by gravity.
You see, gravity pulls you constantly... REGARDLESS of the polar forces which exist there.
One could argue that there is just as much opposing polar energy pushing you down. If that were so, I'd be able to jump off the planet with my own 2 feet, since the polar forces would have to be at a perpetual balance.
We all know this is not what happens. What we know happens is that there are huge poloar forces that lurch upward from the earth at the poles... and there is a power that still keeps us stuck to the ground in spite of it.
I say its neutral energy. The equation I present shows that neutrals which are added to polar entities, have the same sum as when the equation starts. This means that neutral entities could be added to polar entities infinetly, and still not give a dang about the polar powers...
Just like gravity at the pole of a planet. _________________ QuantumArtist. Proud high school graduate. Part Science, part artist, all bullsh*t
I'm not going to think you're right till you give me good reason to change my mind!
(Your education is not a good reason)
I'll just cut through the fog here and give you boys the straight line on why the zero point energy exists , that way you can quit stumbling around and pursue a productive path.
The zero point energy exists and is infinte because the mathematical solutions to the Lagrangian Zero Body problem turns out to be a chaotic fractals. In fact, all the solutions to the Lagrangians for any N- body problem all turn out to be chaotic fractals.
No other explanation is neccessary or correct.
If you have no idea what I'm talking about, then you're out of your league and should have been studying math instead of playing Doom.
Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 111 Location: San Jose
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:13 am Post subject:
ElectroDynaCat wrote:
I'll just cut through the fog here and give you boys the straight line on why the zero point energy exists , that way you can quit stumbling around and pursue a productive path.
The zero point energy exists and is infinte because the mathematical solutions to the Lagrangian Zero Body problem turns out to be a chaotic fractals. In fact, all the solutions to the Lagrangians for any N- body problem all turn out to be chaotic fractals.
No other explanation is neccessary or correct.
If you have no idea what I'm talking about, then you're out of your league and should have been studying math instead of playing Doom.
You now have the football, now run with it.
All fractals build upon a common "theme", for lack of a better way to put it. In fact, your suggestion of a fractal merely makes my point, not discredits it.
Reread it again, think fundamentally, weed out all the complex crap you've been learning. Its all smoke and mirrors.
No wonder science is still stabbing in the dark about this stuff. _________________ QuantumArtist. Proud high school graduate. Part Science, part artist, all bullsh*t
I'm not going to think you're right till you give me good reason to change my mind!
(Your education is not a good reason)
Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 111 Location: San Jose
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject:
ElectroDynaCat wrote:
I'll just cut through the fog here and give you boys the straight line on why the zero point energy exists , that way you can quit stumbling around and pursue a productive path.
The zero point energy exists and is infinte because the mathematical solutions to the Lagrangian Zero Body problem turns out to be a chaotic fractals. In fact, all the solutions to the Lagrangians for any N- body problem all turn out to be chaotic fractals.
No other explanation is neccessary or correct.
If you have no idea what I'm talking about, then you're out of your league and should have been studying math instead of playing Doom.
You now have the football, now run with it.
I was just going to let this slide, but the more I thought about this response, the more I have to call it what it is.
You give vague reference to someone elses work, without explaining how it has anything to do with my theory whatsoever.
You then say no other explanation is neccissary when in fact, you've said nothing at all.
You then say that if I have no idea what it means, I'm out of your league and that I should be studying math.
I have to say that IF you even have the education which you imply, it was seriously lacking in (as you put it) "constructive" debate skills. What is your point? What is your support? How does it relate to the current topic? Who is your audience?
For that matter, did you even read and consider the topic?
You have done none of the above. However, you did show you're a pretty big jerk.
The new energy revolution is going to forever stagnate as long as those with degrees continue to behave in such manner. You make no friends this way. Guess they didnt teach you that in college. _________________ QuantumArtist. Proud high school graduate. Part Science, part artist, all bullsh*t
I'm not going to think you're right till you give me good reason to change my mind!
(Your education is not a good reason)
Joined: Jan 13, 2006 Posts: 95 Location: Grants Pass, Oregon
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:03 am Post subject: grace
I second these statements. I do not agree with my friend QuantumArtist but I am glad he is here and thinking. We don't need attitude like yours. Share physics with us or shut up.
Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 111 Location: San Jose
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:56 am Post subject:
Well, the addition represents an attempt to combine entities or "units" of energy together. The sum of the addition would be the result.
To be honest, I never really thought what (±1)-(±1) would do. Subtraction presents some fun possiblities. In one way you're saying you want to remove 2 neutral entities from each other, and interestingly enough... the sum is still zero, which (presuming my premise is right) is the value of greatest attraction.
Most interesting. _________________ QuantumArtist. Proud high school graduate. Part Science, part artist, all bullsh*t
I'm not going to think you're right till you give me good reason to change my mind!
(Your education is not a good reason)
Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 111 Location: San Jose
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:52 am Post subject:
I'd like to correct or clarify a point, if I may;
Quote:
It’s so interrelated that it’s hard to separate sometimes. For example, Light. Light is not energy. It’s a manifestation of energy upon a photon. A photon is just matter, just like an electron. The difference is the action being manifest upon the photon makes it light instead of electricity.
Alberwasa has kindly informed me of the error in using light as an example in this statement. You see, I've always been taught that light is energy carried by a photon carrier PARTICLE.
He has informed me that a photon is not exactly matter. Though I dont fully understand his explanation of what it is, I'll take his word that its not a good example. He works at a university researching this stuff, (stanford I think), so I'll take his word for it.
What I'm simply trying to say is that you should disassociate carrier particles from energy. Stop thinking of energy as being carried by matter... and start thinking about the energy itself... the action.
Ask yourself... how does it work? What makes it tick? What governs it? Understanding this may lead to a mastery of it. Mastery of the energy will lead to tangeable uses of it.
Thats what this theory works upon. Fundamental energy.
For example, IF there was a polar positive energy... and a negative one... would they not act as mapped out above? Think about it! _________________ QuantumArtist. Proud high school graduate. Part Science, part artist, all bullsh*t
I'm not going to think you're right till you give me good reason to change my mind!
(Your education is not a good reason)
Joined: Jan 13, 2006 Posts: 95 Location: Grants Pass, Oregon
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: roles in life
I am not associated with any university and the way I feel now it would disgust me to be so. I got a Masters 34 years ago, asked then questions which had poor or no answers, and dare to believe that I can sit by myself inviting further understanding from wherever you think that comes from. Given an open heart, mind, and a lot a yellow paper and pens, this has indeed come to pass. I am working hard to catch up on what I do not know, but it became clear to me a while back that I am not tyring, for the most part, to reinvent QM. To my shock, I am compelled to say that the mathematics of photons I have interpreted demands reinterpretation of the vacuum theory of QM. I am raising the challenge I must and dealing with resistance and occassionally ridicule from high level physicists. I have, however, received enough positive feedback that I throw bad attitudes right back in the faces of those who lay them on me.
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