ZPEnergy.com - Gravitic technology

Paul J. Werbos, Dr. writes: Manipulation of gravity is certainly an important and worthwhile target for long-term research, simply because of what it might enable us to do. It's one of our two best hopes for "reaching the stars" without kludges like generation starships and such.

But it's not easy, and we don't yet know that it is even possible. To develop gravitic technology would require even more patience and strategic thinking and determination and focus than ordinary issues of space and energy policy. If people can't get their heads together in thinking about a simple subject like biofuels or plug-in hybrid cars, when they ought to be able to see that their lives depend on getting the story straight in the short-term, and when all of society is concerned... can we get our heads together on this one? Our only hope lies in exercising more rationality and self-discipline than what we see in most of the world today.

I really don't think we can get to gravitic technology simply by putting together gyroscopes or spinning plates together in a garage. We can't even get to useable plug-in cars that way (even though plug-ins are simple enough that they actually can be made in a garage, STARTING FROM a Toyota Prius hybrid).

If spinning things could give us useful gravitic technology, one or both of the following possibilities would have to be true:

(1) spinning things -- angular momentum -- would have to couple with gravity more than general relativity predicts, in a way which leads to a new theory of gravity;

or

(2) general relativity itself should offer us scenarios or designs for useful gravitic technology.

There HAVE been lots of interesting experiments on the connection between angular momentum and gravity. I have heard that a guy named Hehl has led the rational effort to create a balanced story here. I have not checked myself in detail ... too busy with more basic things... but I have the impression that the jury is still out here. Connections between spin and gravity are debatable -- and NOT large enough under ordinary circumstances to let you just do it in a garage from ordinary stuff. The ordinary stuff simply does not deviate enough from general relativity to offer hope.

But hope is there.

On a brief scan today, I encountered an interesting relatively recent paper:

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0608121

Now -- a sort-of zinger.

It may be that PLAUSIBLE torsion gravity theory, or even something closer to general relativity itself, WOULD allow stuff like faster than light travel, **IF** we had more engineering capability with stuff like concentrated energy sources or exotic matter. Certainly there are discussion groups out there who speculate a lot about those important kinds of things. Better understanding of dark matter and dark energy is one vehicle...

But it might even be that another vehicle is simply that of better UNDERSTANDING the next generation of nuclear theory. There is a lot of energy out there in the nuclear patch. Some people think that nuclear physics is a kind of mature, dead end. Yet a decade or two ago.. it was widely agreed that the realm of light and electricity is a dead end in terms of basic physics, and that has turned out to be dead wrong; first generation quantum computing brought a lot of new life and deeper insight into what we can do in technology, more than we thought, and there are other aspects...

http://www.werbos.com/reality.htm

At this stage, what we really need are some crucial experiments to get done, none so expensive as a supercollider, none so easy as what you can do in a garage without a heavy-duty support network. (Some can be done with a university lab and full access to the NNIN.)

But then... the ability to compute with and explore new nuclear models... may be important. How to handle coupling effects so string that they blow up the usual garden-variety perturbation calculations. (Electrical engineers have done a lot of important work to grapple with such issues... and some of the methods might be transferrable.)

However: any experiment with any real hope to generate energy suitable for gravitic engineering should be done in space, not on earth. That's a necessary kind of patience. And that means we cannot develop the enabling technology for gravitics and survive the experience unless we first deal with the mundane issue of access to space, which has been systematically screwed up all over the world, and may well become hopeless before too long if we don't get it right. (That's also critical to the more mundane near-term technologies of energy from space.)

Best of luck to us all,

Paul

P.S. Personal opinions only, of course.
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Hal Puthoff, Ph.D., Scientific Advisor, Bigelow Aerospace writes:

www.bigelowaerospace.com may well be the leader in this, what with its two already-orbiting space stations. Several more are being constructed, and considerable experimental space in micro-g will become commercially available in the next few years.
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Paul J. Werbos, Dr. writes: Bigelow gets a lot of press, and it really pains me to think of how they and several other major investors have been so badly misdirected by... folks who are less interested in the future and more in their personal role in it.

This is one thread I have studied very, very carefully.

But... not eveyone wants to hear all the details. See www.werbos.com/space.htm, for a few of the sanitized details. The unexpurgated is stronger, but I have enough wars to worry about.

I have at times wondered what your friend McMoneagle is or is unable to sense here. But that's not my source...

Actually, I think I mentioned a few details on this list, in discussion of black aircraft and such.

Best of luck to us all,

Paul


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