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IF Dr. Greer's recently discovered device is a scam, how was it done?
Posted on Friday, April 04, 2003 @ 17:13:37 UTC by vlad
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Dear readers,
I’m getting more or less angry/concerned mail from people under the false impression that I’ve already qualified Gr. Greer’s (SEAS) recently discovered device (apparently tapping the ZPE) as a scam. Nothing further from the truth! I apologize for this ambiguity in the new poll but please note that the question starts with an “IF…” (I made it in capitals now!:-). I’m not aware of any evidence to suggest that the device investigated was fraudulent in nature.
Some people said I should’ve included an option for “Don’t think it’s a scam”. My intention was to hear from those who BELIEVE it’s a scam and they think they know how it was done. I considered that we all could learn something from those who have the know-how on how to put/transmit that kind of power (apparently more than 500W) in such a relatively small and light device (which was also examined internally as stated by Dr. Greer in his interview). Unfortunately, as Ryan said, we don’t know for how long the team tested the device to calculate the amount of energy it delivered during that initial site test.
Of course the only methods that I know of that might do the trick were listed in the poll’s options. I also know from SEAS’ “Checklist for Testing O/U Devices” guide that they should have been very much aware of these procedures, that can be easily tested and eliminated as possible sources of energy. I was/am hoping that by clicking on “Other (please elaborate)” option we’ll learn other possible tricks…but it seems no "other" method was identified so far (there have been no explicit comments about that).
I’m almost convinced Dr. Greer and his team are not in the business of fooling the public to get money/publicity(?) out of it (as many skeptics say they are). But they’re not immune to scams either. This poll wants to give the chance to those supporting the scam hypothesis to explain us how this could have been done. If we don’t get any other smart methods (except those listed) I would strongly lean towards the "device is genuine" possibility. Please distribute this question to whatever people/forums, etc., you think might have an interesting explanation and post the answer here. Thank you.
Vlad
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Re: IF Dr. Greer's recently discovered device is a scam, how was it done? (Score: 1)
by Tom on Sunday, April 06, 2003 @ 09:02:12 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Has anyone heard anything since the first announcement ? Have there been any interviews since Feb 4 ? You would think there would have been an update by now ! Tom.W |
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Re: IF Dr. Greer's recently discovered device is a scam, how was it done? (Score: 1)
by Doug on Monday, April 07, 2003 @ 00:40:54 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Hi Vlad,
I like your comment that you are "almost convinced" that Dr Greer is not into scams! Fair enough for people who are watching from a distance. However, I took the time (and my own expenses) to go and meet him, twice, when my curiosity got to me. He is as honest as the day is long, of that I have no doubt. He does not solicit money, in fact he has deliberately stopped earning a great living to focus on this because that's what he believes in doing.
I have certainly not seen the slightest sign that he is evasive, rather he is easy to access. I was amazed to just turn up and be viewing the first videos of the "Disclosure Project" and be treated with trust from the word go (we helped edit them during a week at Joshua Tree).
The nature of many of the things discussed and indeed seen at these gatherings is strange enough to put many people off. From my perspective they helped dispel any doubts (I cannot fathom any means by which Dr Greer could have pre-arranged for some self-luminous object to come hurtling out of the sky at enormous speed, rapidly changing direction, shine a light ONTO our group and then seemingly zap up into space while almost 50 people watched, many with night scopes and binoculars trained on it).
Make of that what you will, but I'd trust the man with my life and I don't send him money other than for buying a few copies of the books and videos to show others. I have also started to encounter much more main-stream examples of deliberate technology supression than ever before (examples in Eureka magazine recently), so it all makes sense I'm afraid. Pity, some days I'd rather the world was not so complex and nasty.
Doug
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