Check Australian fuel saving Hydroboost device

[vlad]

Geoff Egel writes: HI ALL

Some time ago I had a website at Fortunecity Energy 21 that mentioned a device that worked on the the princple called hydro boost using water and elctrodes to boost fuel mileage from a canadian inventor.

Two nights ago an Australian inventor appeared on an Australian commercial TV program showing such a device in operation.

You can download free plans from his website and encourage you to do so.

He is also offering to help anyone put one together for about $(a)100 Australia

I recomend you check it out. BY The way I don't know the guy or anything addition about his device.

But they did show it working. The site is as below: www.takeaction.com.au.

[guest]

I went to the site indicated
http://www.takeaction.com.au/index.asp
and clicked the link to recieve an email with a different link to get the information.
I tried twice, maybe I got my email wrong in the first one or something dumb like that. Probably not.
No reply email came with any link to the information and plans.
HOWEVER....
It is illegal to send spam out in Australia unless it's specifically requested.
So it seems you'll get yourself signed up to receive plenty of marketing spams for their commercial products that aren't related to hydrogen power.

Very disappointing

[guest]

Did anyone received the email?

[guest]

I retract my cynicism above, this has arrived, so I was too impatient
http://www.waterpoweredcar.com/hydrobooster.html

Accompanying email from Cameron Ashton:

Hi,
I understand there has been some difficulties with emails not getting through, I think it mostly due to spam filtering.

Here is the link for your reference: http://www.waterpoweredcar.com/hydrobooster.html

It is important to understand that as a company we do not have the resources to manufacture or make these devices on a commercial scale. I personally made this units just because I became curious and I wanted see with my own eyes, if the claims were true or not.

After I did, I still had trouble believing that my fuel efficiency improved by around 30%. The exhaust smelt cleaner to the nose and my car (96 Jeep on LPG seemed to like it). I am not a motor mechanic, mechanical engineer or industrial chemist, just a resourceful computer nerd, who likes to have a go. I do understand that every car and device made will be different and so too will be to results. (both better and worse). I can't and won't promise anything in terms of the outcome that you may or may not achieve.

My only intention is to let you know that it has worked for me, and the application of this 200 year old technology should be experimented with and communicated further.

Unfortunately to get big business or government involved means big money, which ultimately translates into greater cost to you, patenting, R&D, blah blah, which I'm not interested in at all.

My thinking is to see if there is interest in forming a community based buying group, where we can get together, use our weight of numbers to see if we can have to components made cheaply, then leave the assembly and testing/experimenting up to you. To support this I will establish an online forum where people like you can share their experiences and improvements with the view of making our collective findings public knowledge.

I anticipate that we should be able to get all the base components together for $200-$300 or less depending on the overall amount of community interest.

If this is something you would like to participate in, please follow this link, use the form to let me know. (sorry about having to use another form, but this is the only way I can manage the volume of interest we have had so far.)

http://www.takeaction.com.au/hydro_oxy_fuel_saver_buying_group.asp

Should you decided to register your interest, I will also send you more information over the next couple of days regarding the community forum Iestablished and how to access it.

Thanks again and warm regards

Cameron Ashton



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[infringer]

oxygen comes off one plate and hydrogen comes off the other as soon as the bubbles meet they will react and trun back to water there is nothing to keep them seperate so could someone please explain to me the results of how this really works?

[infringer]

Heres a good example of a fuel cell...

http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/echem/fuel_cell/fuel_cell.html

[guest]

the combining of oxygen and hydrogen is simple mixing of the 2 gases.
If you want to get the water back, then burn the gases to release energy (that was applied to separate the gases in the first place) and cause a by-product of water.

The trick isn't being able to separate the gases through electrolysis, that's as easy as dropping a battery in some water.
It's to be able to produce the action efficiently for a minimum amount of applied energy.

[infringer]

But of course makes since...

Wouldnt a bunch of coils wrapped around each screen type plate increase the efficiantcy being they are more likely to create bubles and capture them that way as there would be more materials for the H and O to cling too...

Would a more tightly wrapped wire allow the bubbles to be created inside of a coil or possibly even a dual wrapped coil would be of the essence...

I am under some impression for some odd reason that a coil shape would be loads more efficiant then flat plates but a combination of both wouldnt hurt either possibly a coil inside a coil wrapped around a plate kinda like knitting...

I'm curious on how to increase the efficantcy of this device. Any suggestions? as before I would consider attempting it I'd want to have my ducks in a row and invest correctly to allow a durable possibly platinum plated nickle and a design that would harness optimal power due to its size shape and orientation.

Please do elaborate anyone if they have expirence with fuel cells any knowladge is greatly appriciated.

[guest]

All wires/conductors have inductance.
Winding it into a tight coil increases the inductance.
When passing a current through this coiled conductor, the magnetic field will more concentrated in the windings of the coil.
So an amount of applied energy will be wasted here, and less efficient.

Increasing the surface area of the conductor, such as using flat plates, lowers impedance and increases conduction.
Less energy will be wasted.

There are some good designs where people have already invested their money and found what they believe to be the most practical and efficient design.
You could start by using a commercially available design and then modifying and experimenting to try to improve it.

[infringer]

Thank you much for the tip so the more surface area you can cover flat surface area the better off you are...

So I suppose a screen type design would not be as efficiant in design as a flat plate with no holes at all...

[guest]

Depending on the size of the mesh, too small can trap bubbles preventing good contact between the electrolyte and electrode, causing less current flow. A slight tap would dislodge the bubbles and rate increase again.

Thanks for yr suggestions about GNU public license and homebrew - my other 'guest' post.
Problem is up to 50% is beyond average HB ability. Possibly a pre-fab module can be considered, some assembly required... and of course, batteries not included.