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    Re: Anthony's Edison observations (Score: 1)
    by vlad on Saturday, June 12, 2004 @ 22:54:56 EDT
    (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com
    From the free_energy yahoo group:
    Message:
    Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:29:35 -0700 (PDT)
    From: "Leo C."
    Subject: Re: special alloy that emits


    I agree that certain metals react with water to produce hydrogen gas. For example, Li, Na, and K metal react quite violently to produce hydrogen gas and hydroxides:

    2 Li + 2 H2O H2 + 2 LiOH

    There are other metals (e.g., Al, Mg, Fe) that undergo the same reaction (or reaction with acids) to produce H2, but more slowly.

    However, my point still stands: the AEC, HydrogenBoost, and Genesis World Energy advertisements are all scams. None of these con artists mention that either the metal alloy is consumed as a fuel, or conservation of energy (1st law of thermodynamics) is violated. The ads give the impression that the water is somehow acting as the fuel. But anyone with a tiny bit of chemistry knowledge understands that water is the "ash" left over from the combustion of hydrogen. To convert this ash back into fuel (H2) would require at least as much energy as was released by the combustion. An analogy would be to capture the carbon dioxide (CO2) exhaust emitted by my car and turn it back into hydrocarbon fuel using a magic "catalyst" that avoids the need to put the energy back in. (Oops, I just gave the scammers another idea to try)

    http://pesn.com/2004/06/10/HydrogenElectricCar/
    http://www.hydrogenboost.com
    http://www.genesisworldenergy.org/genesis_world_energy.htm

    By the way, as a concerned chemist, I will continue to point out fraudulent claims that try to exploit the public's unfamiliarity with chemical principles. And if any of the companies that I criticize want to try to sue me for libel, they should go ahead and try. Their fraudulent claims would be exposed even more quickly.


    Leo C.


    David G Hensley wrote: special alloy that emits bubbles of hydrogen when immersed in water.
    Certain metals (ie: manganese ) when immersed in water seperate the water into Hydrogen and Oxygen ..slowly. But when the water is heated the process of seperation is speeded up immensely. However, the oxide form does not react with water at all, but has a tendacy to block the reaction. Pure Iron is another metal with these properties.
    This info was garnered from a Merck Index circa 1969.
    Hope this helps with your studies.
    David G.




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