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Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative?
Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 @ 19:23:15 UTC by vlad
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Anonymous writes: The following is a summary of the Zero Point Energy picture from my personal perspective.
Gas prices remind us daily that we are entering a new era. Price reductions from here forward are likely to be temporary. Only revolutionary new energy technologies can make a major change. Competition from such breakthroughs is the best, and probably the only way to reverse the present trend. Effective solutions require unusually rapid development of little-known energy conversion systems. Perhaps the most promising is ZPE.
March 1st, 2004, Aviation Week and Space Technology published an article headlined: “Aviation Giants Eye Zero Point Energy”. The next line reads: “Zero Point Energy emerges from realm of science fiction”. The article goes on to suggest that ZPE might result in “Mach 4 fighters, quiet 1,200-seat hypersonic airliners that fly at 100-mi. altitudes as far as 12,000 mi. in about 70 min., and 12.6-hr. trips to the Moon.”
ZPE is still not widely known or understood. It emerges from experiments that demonstrate that seemingly empty space, sometimes called the “quantum vacuum”, is teeming with energy. According to Tom Valone at IRI, data from the NASA Wilkinson Probe suggests that it should be possible to extract about 20 times more energy from the Zero Point Field, per unit of surface area on earth, than can be derived from solar energy -- approximately 20 kilowatts per square meter -- 24 hours per day.
ZPE has been investigated as a potential power source since a 1984 paper, by the late Dr. Robert Forward, appeared in Physical Review. Physical Review has also carried several articles stating that it is theoretically possible to tap this energy for power and propulsion. ZPE is present everywhere in the universe. The late Nobel physicist, Richard Feynman, once remarked that enough was present in the volume contained within a light bulb, to evaporate the oceans of the earth.
Dr. Fabrizio Pinto, formerly a physicist with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, created Interstellar Technologies Corp., (see his extensive website: www.interstellartechcorp.com), to develop near-term applications of ZPE. In a U.S. Patent issued last December entitled “Method for Energy Extraction”, he states: “ZPE is expected to exhibit infinite density and to be universally present, and might therefore be a limitless source of energy.”
ZPE can be extracted magnetically. Two Russian laboratories claim to have done so. One reproduced and improved a magnetic device, invented in England, with an output of 7 kilowatts. ZPE could prove to be only one form of available, extremely dense, vacuum energy, capable of being harnessed to produce electricity.
Dr. Hal Puthoff, Director of the Institute of Advanced Study at Austin, is quoted in the Aviation Week article: ”I’d say our confidence level [of a breakthrough] is 50% or better. If our [research] is successful, almost assuredly there’d be no problem with small units—a few cubic centimeters of ZPE—providing enough energy to power spaceships.”
Magnetic Power Inc., has quietly been evaluating, (and more recently developing), ZPE systems for two decades. Laboratory results are now encouraging. Systems capable of producing several kilowatts of electric power from Zero Point Energy seem to be on the horizon. Prototype drive systems for vehicles may be possible within two years. These electric power generators will require no fuel and produce no pollution. If we, and others working with revolutionary energy technology, are successful, the beginning of a transition away from oil, and other fuels, could be a near-term event.
Demonstration devices, as well as inexpensive toys, are planned, in order to overcome understandable skepticism. As acceptance of the reality of new energy conversion devices becomes widespread, the price of gasoline could gradually stabilize, and later fall back.
Funding such breakthrough research has been difficult. At this early stage it still depends on Accredited Angel investors, individuals who can afford high risk. Later, it will involve Strategic Partners interested in manufacturing generators under license. One of the latter has already provided substantial assistance.
Mark Goldes
Chairman and CEO
Magnetic Power Inc.
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Is it real? (Score: 1)
by kurt9 on Monday, April 12, 2004 @ 22:22:18 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.metatechnica.com | I wish you guys the best of luck. I would like to believe that ZPE is real, but am still not convinced of it. Also, it is is real, its not clear to me that useful energy can be extracted. Useful energy comes from a difference of energy levels, usually temperature. I don't see such a difference in ZPE, leading me to think that it is impossible.
It may be possible to extract the energy from high frequency and use the lower frequencies as the heat sink. I have no idea if this is possible.
Of course, 7 years ago I thought that cold fusion was twaddle, and it now appears to be a real phenomenon. I met some physicists at a particle beam conference in the late 90's and, when I asked them about cold fusion, most of them told me that they thought it was real but that it was no fusion in the conventional sense.
So, maybe it will be for ZPE. Who knows.
If ZPE is possible, I think the best strategy is to make a low-cost demonstration device or toy that can be easily marketed. This will provide the "proof of principle" needed to attract serious investment and customers. |
ZPE (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, April 12, 2004 @ 23:22:08 UTC | That's true, the ZPE is the same everywhere, macroscopically. However, fluctuations makes ZPE differ microscopically. I envision some kind of ZPE "diode" to "rectify" these fluctuations to create a useful gradient from which to draw energy. Sound logical?
-Gog
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Is it real? (Score: 1)
by Rastahal on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 @ 08:19:18 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://truthbells.com | I believe science has pretty much accepted that ZPE is real aka the Casmir effect...the big question is...can we extract useful energy from it?
I see the process of extracting ZPE as being similar to a windmill where ZPE is the everywhere present "wind" and a device could be built that would simply convert ZPE into a form of energy we can use, such as electrical power.
Peace,
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Casimir Force (Score: 1)
by kurt9 on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 @ 08:45:20 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.metatechnica.com | Yes, you are correct. I consider the recent measurment of the casimir force to be "proof" of the existance of the zero point field. Whether or not energy can be extracted from it or not is still an open question for me. I certainly hope that it can, but the proof is in the pudding.
It may be the case that phenomenon such as gravity and inertia have something to do with the ZPF. In which case, these may be modifiable directly but energy must still be generated by conventional means such as fusion or what not.
What is very clear to me is that physics is undergoing a revolution similar to the one it did about 100 years ago when Einstein published his theories. What is also clear is that the government-funded, big-science is not working and will never work, no matter how much money you throw at it.
If a breakthrough is possible; either in ZPE, cold or hot fusion, or anti-gravity; it will come from some small privately funded work. It may even come from someone here on this net!
This is not just my opinion. There are people in the mainstream physics community who have expressed the same sentiments.
Good luck to all. |
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Is it real? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, April 16, 2004 @ 16:32:01 UTC | Why not just go to Cheniere.org and get all your questions answered. It may take a few months of
study, but when you have "the realization" and have
that "of course.....how could it be any other way?"
moment, you will be changed, and can be part of
our inevitable future, if we are to have one at all.
Study Bearden's writings and others' work he refers
to, and be the one answering the questions, or
pointing to the increasingly accepted references.
Humanity needs a certain # of people who can even get
the concepts as a requisite to moving ahead, so
saddle up!
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Is it real? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Saturday, April 17, 2004 @ 08:49:36 UTC | Bearden should be taken with not a little pinch of salt. Even the physisist Bearden leans on the most, Myron W. Evans, thinks Bearden's ideas and utterings are total non-sense, especially those concerning the worldwide conspiracy of "scalar weapons", which I personally feel is quite "far out".
On other things, like the static charge conundrum, he does have a few points, and the ideas would definitely carry more weight if they were backed up by maths, experiments and a proper theory and not just reiterated ad infinitum (Bearden is very good at word-barfing).
That said, Evans' own theory does permit energy from spacetime or "twisting" thereof (which he admits was a bit inspired by Bearden's ideas).
-Gog |
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Is it real? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Saturday, April 17, 2004 @ 09:56:08 UTC | I totally agree that if someone would go to http://www.cheniere.org they would come to a whole new level of understanding about extracting energy from the vacumm.
ZPE is real, and the INTERESTING thing is that we use it ALL the time! Every circuit in the entire world is powered by ZPE! It is just a matter of making a circuit that outthinks nature, and does not destroy it's source dipole.
It is THAT simple.
However, it is also that complex, because nature has been set up so that it is not particularly easy to disrupt the balance (not the best term) and continually extract energy without destroying the dipole. |
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Is it really THAT simple ?? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, April 18, 2004 @ 11:46:03 UTC | Then, if it is THAT simple, why hasn't anyone done it? Even Bearden's own MEG has a dubious replication (Naudin), and AFAIK no one else has claimed a successful replication.
If it is that simple, a device with a feedback loop to power itself would be possible. Otherwise the device is of no practical use.
I'm not saying it is easy (neither is Bearden mind you) and I'm not saying it is impossible.
In fact, I think that Bearden has a point in ZPE being active in building up the energy around a static charge. Hotson has a very interesting series of articles regarding the Dirac eq and its negative energy solution implications, which might very well account for the ZPE interaction with the static charge (see the download section of ZPEnergy.com)
But nevertheless: A device without feedback (of any sort) is utterly useless and will not contribute to solving any energy crisis.
-Gog
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Re: Is it really THAT simple ?? (Score: 1)
by AndyC (hotmail account andydcoles) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 @ 12:17:21 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Unless ZPE device inventors also happen to be very rich, they will have to raise considerable finance to commercialize a ZPE product, and/or reveal how they did it so it can be successfully replicated.
There are plenty of indications of this in the past, like Nikola Tesla, Moray, Ed Gray, Sweet and Teruo Kawai. Most of these individuals were widely reported to have demonstrated their inventions WORKING. So why do we not benefit from them now?
The same thing almost happened with the Wright brothers - hundreds of local people witnessed their early flights, but it was years before these 'backwoods tinkerers' were taken seriously. The scientists of the day were adamant that it was impossible (ring any bells?). Heavier-than-air powered flight was eventually accepted, and deemed even beneficial to mankind. Perhaps we have the First World War to thank for the hasty development of flight.
If the sceptics amongst ZPEnergy readers want evidence, take a look at Dr. Steven Greer's Disclosure Project. OK, no one has been able to show a piece of an alien spacecraft (to my knowledge), but witnesses have independently corroborated each others testimony. For example, pilots and air traffic controllers viewing the same craft. I bought the DVD of evidence. It was compelling for me, but then I'm only a post-graduate Software Engineer, so what do I know?
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Re: Is it really THAT simple?? Not really. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, April 18, 2004 @ 19:11:53 UTC | The concept of a feedback loop to power something is a fluke. It is the same as the concept used in all cars today, The alternator. The alternator does help repower the battery power lost in combustion, but more energy is needed to refill the battery.
If the feedback loop could work, you would need to supply extra energy to "refill" the loop. So in essence, the feedback loop doesn't "power" itself by any means.
In any transfer of energy, even just through even 1 inch of electrical wire, it is not completely transfered. You can never have a 100% efficient system. There is always energy lost in the form of heat, light, or movement.
If it was possible to have 100% efficiency, we could probably quadruple+ feul economy, we wouldn't need power transformers on power lines, and feedback loops would be possible. This just can't happen though.
Furthermore, isn't the concept of ZPE, "free" energy? It seems to me that if you need to put energy into the device to "create" energy, how is that free? Granted (I am not all negative) this would be helpful to conserve energy, as in the case of the alternator in the car, but it is not 100% efficient or even close by any means.
I am new to Zero Point, but so far it looks very promissing in my opinion. I hope this does replace our current forms of energy because Fossil feuls won't last forever. The "discovery" of how to harness ZPE is exactly what this world needs right now.
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Efficiency and COP... (Score: 1)
by Rastahal on Sunday, April 18, 2004 @ 22:19:05 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://truthbells.com | New to ZPE, eh? Welcome to the best ZPE site on the net! I enjoyed reading your post, keep 'em coming!
You mention ZPE is sometimes called "free energy" and the impossibility of 100% efficiency...keep in mind the difference between efficiency and COP (Coefficient of Performance) You are correct in stating that no device can be 100% efficient, but a device CAN have a COP > 1, which simply means the device is outputting more power than the "operator" has to put into it to keep it going.
A windmill is the classic example of a device having a COP greater than 1, and in this case, it's almost infinity! That's because we "pay" very little to start the device, and once started it will happily output power 'til the cows come home (provided there's wind)
It's not 100% efficient by any means...but it's about as close to "free energy" as we can get because it's converting energy from one form to another, using that same energy to power itself, and it costs us almost nothing to start the process.
I envision Bearden's MEG and other ZPE devices perhaps working in a similar fashion, only in this case the "wind" is energy from the vacuum or ZPE. It's a rough analogy, I know, but it's one that has helped me understand such terms as free energy, efficiency, COP and over unity.
Keep reading and posting, there’s a lot to learn from some of the folks on this list, and there’s lots of interesting ideas being tossed around!
Onward and Upward,
rh
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Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 1)
by bodebliss on Monday, April 12, 2004 @ 23:44:16 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://picoscience.8m.com/ | I love this site for it's undying enthusiasm. Too bad you can't run cars on that, because that appears to be something that America has alot of. If and when ZPE is proven to be a working commodity, it will be the biggest discovery since FIRE . There will be no suppressing it . The knowledge of it's proof will spread like FIRE through the world of science and a new day will dawn for mankind. You won't be able to miss the event, not even if you want to. It will be future altering and inescapable.
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Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 1)
by bodebliss on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 @ 10:21:12 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://picoscience.8m.com/ | With oil: you tap a reserve of oil in the ground refine and distill to get gasoline for cars.
With electricity: you tap higher energy to feed the lines to your house.
ZPE is everywhere the same how do you start a flow??
You have to go from higher to lower in some form to start a flow.
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Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 1)
by bodebliss on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 @ 10:28:52 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://picoscience.8m.com/ | Here is one possible way:
If you could shelter the device that is using ZPE from ZPE and then open a narrow channel for ZPE to flow in, you might be able to get ZPE to flow to the device. |
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 1)
by Rastahal on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 @ 14:48:18 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://truthbells.com | Yes, ZPE is indeed everywhere but it's my understanding that it's in a constant state of flux, it's DYNAMIC and that's the reason it can be tapped, converted and used for electrical power.
I believe that's how Bearden's MEG and other ZPE devices work, by converting the ZPE "scalar waves" into conventional electricity using devices involving transformers and magnetics.
Take an ordinary magnet on your fridge...it will quietly sit there and do real work, resisting gravity, holding itself to the metal surface for years or longer.
An electro-magnet would take lots of POWER over time to accomplish this simple feat that the natural magnet does effortlessly. I believe there's something going on with magnetic forces that science still does not understand. Could this "energy" comes from the ZPE field? It comes from somewhere! If so, this is a solid indication of ZPE's ability to do real work, and it's something we hardly stop to consider.
Just my opinion...
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popular misunderstanding about electromagnets (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 @ 15:31:52 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | A natural magnet holding something in place does no work, it's only when force is applied through a distance that work is done. The same is true of an electromagnet. For an electromagnet to hold itself in place to an iron surface isn't going to do any mechanical work, so long as it's still. If you are working with a regular (non-superconducting) electromagnet the current required to maintain the magnetic field will have resistive losses. But the only energy that's required is the energy to pay for the ressistive loss.
This is sometimes illustrated with a metal ring around a coil. Current is sent through the coil, and it mag levs the ring. If you hold the ring still, you can feel the force. If you hold it not still, and move the ring with or against the force, the ring heats up. |
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Re: popular misunderstanding about electromagnets (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, April 16, 2004 @ 03:38:23 UTC | The misunderstanding is the definition of work. For example take two arm wrestlers whose arms are locked in combat. Distance moved zero therefore according to the definition of work no work is being done ! I suspect the sweat on their brows indicates this is not the case.
Likewise if one of those arm wrestlers was to have a competition against a permanent magnet to hold up another magnet 1 foot above a table the amount of work being done in both systems is zero.....hmmm. I have a sneaking suspicion that the arm wrestler would lose eventually !
If magnetism, gravity etc are linked to ZPE then you nor anyone else can say what the effect of a system will be. For all you know the so called "laws" of physics are merely an interpretation of the results of an interaction between known "matter" and forces. The cold magnet holding an object above the table and your definition of work are simply a gaping hole in the laws of physics because you don't know everything (NO-ONE YET DOES). |
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..or rather... (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, April 18, 2004 @ 11:52:22 UTC | With the current definition of work, pickle is quite right. But that's the thing here, physics is all based on premisis and definitions upon which a theory is built.
If we redefine work to involve static forces summed to zero, then that work would indeed need energy, and the energy is then supplied by the permanent magnet. But that does not fit in with current views and would need a whole other theory based on new definitions.
-Gog
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Re: Electromagnets can do the same thing. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, April 19, 2004 @ 03:38:39 UTC | By effectively becoming a permanent magnet.
-Gog |
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 1)
by ElectroDynaCat on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 @ 19:22:17 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | One of the parameters of operation of a Zero Point converter is that it must use the vacuum as both a source and sink of energy. This is not impossible. It does impose restrictions on the size of the device. since a radiator must have the dimensions of the wavelength of the energy it radiates back into space. At room temperatures (300 K), the mean wavelength of the predominant modes of vibration are in the near infrared. Using Stefans Law, it can be calculated to be slightly less than 10,000 angstroms. This means that any ZPE Converter would consist of a "cell" that is about the size of a virus. |
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 1)
by nanotech on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 @ 19:51:06 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | This is what leads me to believe that the fields of Molecular Nanotechnology/Nano Engineering and Zero Point Energy Engineering will parallel each other and overlap in some areas.
For example: Cassimir Force Generators as described by Robert Forward and the researchers at www.quantumfields.com would likely require advanced MEMS (Micro Electro Mechanical Systems) or NEMS (Nano _____) /Molecular manufacturing Nano Assemblers, as described by folk such as Drs' Eric Drexler and Ralph Merkle (www.foresight.org, www.zyvex.com/nanotech, www.imm.org).
If we can get even "primitive" nano assemblers going, we can crank out stacks upon stacks of these virus-sized cassimir/ZPE force generators (possibly!). Thoughts?
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 1)
by ElectroDynaCat on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 @ 06:46:30 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Nano assemblers aren't neccessary, conventional, even crude microlithography can produce arrays of cells small enough and in sufficient quantity to generate small, but useful amounts of energy.
Whats important understand is that one cell, no matter what its size, can only sink a limited amount of energy back to the vacuum, you can make them the size of a football field or a virus and its the same. The strategy is to squeeze as many of these cells in an array as is neccessary to produce power. |
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Re: Magnetism and gravity. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, April 18, 2004 @ 19:45:27 UTC | I am not going to even pretend like I understand why magnets stick to other magnets and why gravity pulls us to the earth. All I know is that is here.
Since I was just a little boy, I have been mezmerised and perplexed by the concept of magnetism. I have spent a great deal of time researching the subject and still know very little about what makes it work. Very little is accually known collectively why magnets defy gravity but it is an accepted truth that it can. Gravity is always surrounding us. It reaches to the furthest points in out solar system and pulls on the leaf that an ant is carrying to its mound. Noone understands why gravity works, but EVERYONE understands that is does. Why is it so hard for the common person to accept ZPE then?
ZPE has been proven to exist and I beleive that it is only a matter of time before some quatum physics genious comes up with a way to harness the energy. I just hope he is not critisized for his discovery like Einstein.
As far as the accuzation that magnets don't do any work, doesn't it take work to get them apart? Magnets also don't just stick together. They push and pull just like any other object that does work. How do you think electromagnetic trains and particle accelerators work? It is like saying that a spring that is not contracting or expanding is not doing any work. You may not be able to "see" the spring working, but it is still pushing or pulling on something all the same.
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 1)
by ElectroDynaCat on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 @ 10:46:24 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Any device that could make the vacuum flux an actual power source would not only have implications for technology, it implies a deep insight into the very basis of physics, mainly because every known law of nature says that the ZPE cannot be extracted.
The physics community has every right to be sceptical, but open to this possibility. When it comes to ZPE devices, physicists are all from Missouri, they want you to "Show me".
The main paradigms a ZPE device has to circumvent are not the Conservation of Energy or the Second Law of Thermodynamics. These two laws are results of a higher, more general Principle of Least Action, formulated by Lagrange back in the 19th Century. A mathematic enigma, Lagrange's Principle has been the main tool of modern theorectical physics for two hundred years. It is the one theoretical result that has held firm in every chemical and physics experiment ever performed in history. It is so difficult to solve precisely that any problem involving more than two bodies is beyond the comprehension of any Physicist, Computer Scientist or Mathematician. Ask any third year physics student about Lagrange and an expression of pain will inevitably arise.
Will it still hold up to scrutiny if and when someone discovers (not invents) a Zero Point Device? It is so cryptic in its message that we may find that we have in fact, just not re-verified it, but found another higher aspect of Lagrange. That would make the people that stand up in front of blackboards and wonder about Lagrange very happy. |
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 @ 14:14:21 UTC | I can't help but be very sceptical.
If a 7 KW device works, then all you need is a few dozen of these and whole towns can get free power. So where are they? There are hundreds of companies all over the world that would drop everything and start mass producing these devices if they really worked.
The fact that we DON'T see these devices everywhere is the most convincing proof that they don't work.
Not that I wouldn't LOVE it worked, I would really like to be wrong here.
On the positive side, it looks like nuclear [hot] fusion is closer to reality, thanks to some advancements by Sandia laboratories in the US. Now there is something that may really work, since the Sun demonstrates the physics behind it quite nicely.
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 1)
by nanotech on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 @ 20:36:16 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | You must understand the implications of true zero point energy machines and the groups, organizations, and individuals behind the attacks and suppression of researchers unsupported by classified govt and corporate research labs.
Global-wide corporate monopolists, military-intelligence and military-industrial complexes within complexes, and so many others, related and unrelated, are completely opposed to the zero point being tapped, at this time, and, for this technology to be in the hands of the individual or community.
Add to this all of the outright liars and hoaxers, false starts, and even sincere researchers "going crazy" and getting these messiah complexes and getting involved in all sorts of esoteric stuff like "channeling", and you start to see the problems.
Even so, it is INEVITABLE that some form of both zero point energy/quantum vacuum foam and molecular nanotech system will be constructed.
Ultimately.
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, April 15, 2004 @ 15:06:46 UTC | With this logic almost anything is possible. We must have been visited by UFOs, for instance, since we have no proof of that, but we do have people talking about it. Any real proof therefore must have been "suppressed" by the evil government and corporations!
Crop circles -- more proof of aliens, NOT pranksters out having a good time at night!
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Yes, almost anything is *possible* with EVIDENCE! (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Saturday, April 17, 2004 @ 10:04:38 UTC | Yes, almost anything IS possible!
And YES we have been visited by UFOs. You are correct in that we have no 100% hardcore proof (the public does not have a crashed alien space craft we can let CNN do a special inside of), but there is a TREMENDOUS ammount of evidence that yes indeed UFOs/ETs do exist and have visited earth.
Check out the Pheonix Lights, the witnesses of Roswell, the space shuttle videos showning all kinds of UFOs flying around (not pieces of astronaut waste), the thousands of videos of strange objects captured by individuals, the verfied cases (documents released by FOIA) of UFOs hovering over nuclear missle silos and shutting them down, the incidents of jets chasing after UFOs, the incidents of pilots having to dodge objects in the sky, the incidents of UFOs following our aircraft, the radar tracking of UFOs, all the witness testimony that has came out from ex-government and ex-military individuals, etc.
There is a LOT of evidence. No absolute 100% proof, but enough evidence to show that something absolutely amazing, huge, and bizzare is occuring! And do you *really* think the powers that be would ever allow the public to acquire absolute proof of this? Absolutely NOT! It would disrupt the entire global mindset and civilization. I personally do not think it would make it crumble, but it would be the biggest shock ever.
There are certain things, by their very nature, if they are true, are not going to be permitted (until they are just simply so apparent they cannot be suppressed anymore). That is the state of ZPE. It is becoming so apparent that eventually it will NOT be able to be suppressed anymore.
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Re: Yes, almost anything is *possible* with EVIDENCE! (Score: 1)
by Rastahal on Saturday, April 17, 2004 @ 17:25:11 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://truthbells.com | I have to say I agree with this article 110 percent...RIGHT ON! The problem is there's a lot of ordinary folks who will deny this no matter how much "evidence" we put before them..some are just not *ready* to face the facts concerning UFO's or ZPE, for whatever reason.
And, after learning just how long the "military-industrial complex" has been at this little game, I think we would all be amazed at just what they DO have stashed away, as far as exotic weaponry.
ZPE is in the same situation, even more so. When one realizes how much we are all dependent on oil companies and petroleum products for energy, ZPE would completely destabilize an industry that has it's hooks in just about everything we do.
Instead of having the US and it's allies holding the trump cards concerning energy, it would serve to level the world's "energy playing field" - With the current "nationalistic" climate in the US, the people running the show are not about to let that happen, and they don't care how much we pay for gas, as long as there are profits to be made and they can keep the economy going.
When you examine the evidence for the reality of UFO's, and you listen to the testimony of hundreds of highly trained military personnel including astronauts and flight controllers, you realize that they ALL can't be lying, and then you really start to pay attention to WHAT they are saying...things concerning black projects where certain groups have been experimenting with ZPE for over fifty years. ZPE is...after all...the PERFECT fuel for space travel.
According to my belief system, the universal Father set all this up, and gave us all the tools we need to take us from our current "dark ages" to an age of exciting scientific discovery that would boggle the mind of the average citizen. The only thing holding us back is our willingness to believe it and "make it so"
I know there are many who may disagree with me, but if ZPE had been released some fifty years ago, I'm thinking we would be living lives that would resemble something out of "the Jetsons" by now. |
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Yes, the Ark of the Covenant is being stored in a gov't warehouse ! (Score: 1)
by bodebliss on Sunday, April 18, 2004 @ 04:19:10 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://picoscience.8m.com/ | | I saw it portrayed in a movie , but until I touch the Ark myself , I will still have doubts . Until I get to go to work by alien entrepeneur provided saucer , my similar doubts will not be lifted. Until it is a reliable entity in our daily lives , ZPE will face these doubts . We may find that the only viable use for ZPE is it's already mega-magnificent use as the sub-space support for the ground-state of atoms which underlies all of what we call the universe. That is in itself , big. I remember seeing a picture of an atom on the web and the caption read ,'The fuzz you see to the outside of the atom is the cloud of virtual photons that surrounds all atoms' . There lies ZPE , or at least one example of it (Yes, the web has pictures of ZPE). |
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Re: Yes, almost anything is *possible* with EVIDENCE! (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 @ 16:29:12 UTC | What's more likely: UFOs visiting us, or the government creating an elaborate hoax to distract people from all the experimental jet testing in the area?
Proving that UFOs "exist" is difficult. Proving that a device makes free electricity is easy. The fact that no reputable laboratory has verified one of these things working should be the biggest clue about whether or not they exist.
A device that generates free electricity/energy would not disrupt everything. Solar power generates "free" electricity, wind power is now cheaper than many fossil fuel power plants, and it is "free" as well. I don't see those two inventions turning the world upside down.
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Yes, almost anything is *possible* with EVIDENCE! (Score: 1)
by bodebliss on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 @ 22:30:08 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://picoscience.8m.com/ | | Solar power devices are still not cheap ,but if they start making them at $.20 /watt as I've seen claimed recently , you will see solar power turning the world upside down. The prob w/wind power is your neighbor would go nuts if you installed a 60 ft blade in your backyard. |
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Yes, almost anything is *possible* with EVIDENCE! (Score: 1)
by bodebliss on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 @ 01:18:36 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://picoscience.8m.com/ | I also saw a production-ready solar panel got 30% efficiency . It won't be long till they are producing 40% efficient solar panels at $.20 /watt and a 25yr guarantee that would make everyone jump. Run the nums yourself at 720 kwh/m 2/yr standard recieve from the sun for a 40% efficient unit. You could run your house (electricity&heat) , sell back,or cut water for hydrogen for your car on a 30 m 2 unit(21,000 kwhs/yr) for $2,400 .The unit would pay for itself in one year and you'd have 20 or 30 years of free energy.
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Also This ! (Score: 1)
by bodebliss on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 @ 01:36:51 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://picoscience.8m.com/ | | Free energy is not just the energy you would not spend at home it would also no energy cost to produce things and ship things . Anybody got figures on that ? |
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Re: Yes, almost anything is *possible* with EVIDENCE! (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, April 25, 2004 @ 07:09:36 UTC | | What if you live in an apartment block with lots of people and very limited space to install them |
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Yes, almost anything is *possible* with EVIDENCE! (Score: 1)
by bodebliss on Sunday, April 25, 2004 @ 12:48:17 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://picoscience.8m.com/ | | You can join the green revolution by choosing an alt. power provider from list of alt. energy sources provided by your electric or natgas company or you can buy land setup solarpanels and sell it back as credits against your apartment bill till you build a house on your land. |
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 1)
by ElectroDynaCat on Thursday, April 15, 2004 @ 07:43:45 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Hot fusion is a technology that even if it was achieved easily, would still suffer from the same application problems that occur with conventional nuclear reactors. Hot fusion is extremely capital intensive, and over a short period of time, the vessel and containment coils would rapidly become radioactive, enormous amounts of shielding are required to protect personel and the environment . The only real function hot fusion has in energy research is to keep large numbers of plasma physicists out of the unemployment lines. Government contractors that build these machines appreciate the business that keep their employees busy in the off season.
"Breakeven fusion is just 20 years in the future..and always will be." quote by a prominent plasma physicist who wishes to be anonymous. |
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, April 15, 2004 @ 15:39:40 UTC | Hot fusion has been one of the biggest wasters of American tax dollars for the last 60 years. What do we have to show for it? A handful of extremely large, expensive, and inefficient reactors that are still in the "flashpoint" stage. If Henry Ford had done this we would still be using horses and trains.
The problem is that the technology is now "locked in", with scientists refusing to see alternative paths and theories to improve the original concept. Like the old man rolling the boulder up the hill, only to have it fall back down again, they are stuck in a non-productive loop of research and prototype testing.
We have a theory on non-radioactive thermonuclear fusion. It's called aneutronic fusion, where very little shielding is required for radioactivity.
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 1)
by ElectroDynaCat on Sunday, April 18, 2004 @ 09:26:39 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | "The fact that we DON'T see these devices everywhere is the most convincing proof that they don't work"
There were no light bulbs in the Middle Ages, therefore a light bulb couldn't possibly give off light? To someone in a Middle Ages mentality, that is quite logical.
With ZPE the reason no one has found one is not because such a mechanism can't be built, its because the human mind hasn't hasn't graduated to the level neccessary to grasp all the principles involved. It may not be understanding complexity that is the key, but basic insight into the nature the question.
It may be that it isn't that we are not smart enough to tap the ZPE, it may be that we aren't simple enough, strange but true .
When it does show itself, it will be so unassuming that it may be overlooked by anyone not questing for the answer.
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 @ 16:36:09 UTC |
People in the middle ages probably weren't running around screaming "light bulbs are everywhere in secret laboratories but the research is being suppressed!"
Note that I said "don't work" not "can't work"
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Re: Zero Point Energy: Can it become a practical, near-term, alternative? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 @ 09:32:32 UTC | | Free power? You answered your own question, we do not see these devices because of the economical ramnifications, people love money, they love our money, they are going to continue making us spend it |
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The Stars Are Ours (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Saturday, May 15, 2004 @ 19:51:06 UTC | OK, first item, the existance of ZPE has been proven in labratory experiments. It's existence has been suspected since the 1940's, and is fairly well accepted concept now. Despite it's being contrary to all we know of physics. Recent experiments are considered proof. Look it up.
Second item, if the US Air Force is now talking about it, I bet they've already done it, used it, and have a serious lead in the technology. It also means that most other countries have found out about it. It's no big deal then to announce it. My opinion.
Third item, there are an awful lot of people around the world working on this. Individuals, small groups, aerospace companies, and national efforts. I wouldn't call them all wrong at this time. Look it up.
Fourth item, the idea of ZPE being used in toys and cars right away is cool. Can't wait. China is creating a huge demand for automotive fuel. We Terrans need something new right away.
Fifth item, a differential state to producing energy is a reasonable requirement. But what about photovoltaic devices? Not so obvious there either. Not everything depends on heat transfer.
Sixth item, this would allow the human race to basically up and leave the planet and go anywhere we want. The new requirement would be how to haul enough food along with us. So I guess dependable hydroponic gardens will be the next big deal.
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