 |
There are currently, 208 guest(s) and 1 member(s) that are online.
You are Anonymous user. You can register for free by clicking here
| |
| |
| |
|
Don't have an account yet? You can create one. As a registered user you have some advantages like theme manager, comments configuration and post comments with your name.
| |
Average Score: 3
Votes: 3
| |
|
|
No Comments Allowed for Anonymous, please register |
|
Re: Magnet motor demonstrated at Delft University (Score: 1)
by frenrg on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 @ 16:08:36 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | In the patent details of the Yildiz magnet motor, there is no mention of electrical windings, but clearly seen in one of the video clips are wires coming out of the end of the motor, terminated in connector blocks.
Whilst most of the motor was disassembled after the running demonstration, the end of the motor was not.
There would be space in here to house lithium ion batteries of sufficient capacity to run the motor for the 10 minutes.
What puzzels me about Mr. Yildiz is that if this is a hoax, sooner or later this will be found out.
Perhaps he is hoping to amass a large quantity of investors money, then do a "runner" to South America or somwhere where he can't be extradited for serious fraud? |
|
|
Re: Magnet motor demonstrated at Delft University (Score: 1)
by Koen on Monday, April 26, 2010 @ 01:41:40 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://no.nl/tesla | I am very sorry: all alleged free-energy devices based on permanent magnets are fake. YouTube is teeming with free-energy device movies based on permanent magnets, it is all fake, like the Perendev motor, and the Bedini devices.
The core of the Yildiz motor (it is not a generator) was not opened/disassembled in front of the Dutch audience. This part of the motor can easily contain batteries and electro-magnets (coils) in order to drive the rotor which explains the observations.
Btw also all alleged free-energy 'magnetic flux switching' devices are fake (they don't generate energy), such as Steorn's device.
I watched Steorn's presentation in Zaandam (Netherlands), and there is nothing extraordinary there. The video presented "expert eyewitnesses" never claimed clearly the production of useful energy by Steorn's device. The presentation was not to the point: no information of input/output energy/power measurements was presented.
It is the old trick of disinformation, and Dutch/Brazilian Prof.dr. Duarte is jumping to conclusions enthousiastically
( in the movie of the Yildiz motor on the Technical University of Delft several of my friends and prof. Duarte are visible )
So now they have to wait patiently for Yildiz to disclose the 'last piece of the generator', in the form of a patent or another demonstration. This day will never come. So, "patience, Dutch gentlemen, patience, it will be all revealed", and most of all, "stop doing decent research to free-energy devices in the meanwhile".
|
Re: Magnet motor demonstrated at Delft University (Score: 1)
by Veryskeptical on Friday, April 30, 2010 @ 09:50:21 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | It has been a long time since I commented on this site. However the above statement by Koen is truly enough to bring me back for another comment.
It is impossible to prove a negative. All free energy magnetic flux switching devices are fake. It is a statement that only God could make seriously. How could Koen possibly know? And please don't quote any theory. No theory that says all free energy magnetic flux switching devices are fake can prove its own truth. Or any other theory for that matter.
We shall just have to wait and see which for most people will in practice mean that they will need to be able to go into a store and buy a cheap version for their own use. Long before that happens they shall just have to take other people's word for it. Or not if they feel that way about it. But, of course, how could they ever trust any one else's word for it. They are all fakes, right?
There is always a risk of fraud in anything. You must be prepared to deal with the possibility or stay home. Since most people will not be able to deal with industrial fraud they should stay home and wait for others to do this bit of dirty work for them. Some day they may be able to buy the cheap motor.
For now people like Koen should just shut up and go away. He contributes nothing but hot air scaring people with an obvious risk for which there is no easy answer.
|
]
Re: Magnet motor demonstrated at Delft University (Score: 1)
by Koen on Sunday, May 09, 2010 @ 12:04:32 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://no.nl/tesla | If 'magnet motors' or 'magnet flux switcher' can deliver extra energy output, then the phenomenon can't be base on magnetism: the magnetic force is conservative, which means that it can not be used as an energy source! Period! One does not need to be God to understand this, seriously.
I cannot prove that permanent magnets cannot produce another type of field, such as a scalar field. If Veryskeptical has ideas of OTHER field types produced by magnets, we would like to hear about it.
Considering the many many magnetic type "energy generators" were PROVEN hoaxes (see the numerous YouTybe movies that are clearly hoaxes), for instance the Perendev motor, at some point one HAS to conclude that these permanent magnet devices are a DEAD END! A waste of TIME, a form of disinformation etc .....
There is a class of free energy devices NOT based on permanent (magic mirror) magnets, invented by Tesla, Moray, Chernetski, Reich, Baumann, Gray, and this is for real, and NOT AT ALL based on magnetism.
No, indeed, you can't prove a "negative", so VerySkeptical, please show us a positive convincing proof that a permanent magnet can generate extra energy that was not put into it in the first place. "It must be there, after the numerous hours of experiments with permanent magnets". Show it!
It is obvious that VerySkeptical wants us to waste hour precious time
and money with "permanent magnet type free energy device".
But there is PLENTY of proof (theoretical and practicle) for the electro-scalar type of free energy machine. There is also proof solar cells can become commercially viable free energy machines. And there is very hard science behind it.
again, I expect your proof in the next post.
|
]
Re: Magnet motor demonstrated at Delft University (Score: 1)
by Veryskeptical on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 19:59:37 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | I say once again that there is no way to be certain that a magnetic motor cannot exist. Koen mistakes an economic question with a logical question. Proving that many magnetic motors are hoaxes suggests that it is unlikely that a magnetic motor can exist within a particular context including the materials used, theory examined, and the motivations of the participants. It never guarantees that some other set of materials, theories and motivations may not lead to success.
The problem is always a matter of perception whether the search is by experiment in a laboratory or among a collection of inventor's claims and is subject to a cost benefit analysis: Will the benefit of finding a successful development of a magnetic motor justify the cost of further search. A sensible model of search would suggest the greater the number of motors examined without success the less likely that the search will end successfully. Since there is a cost to perform a search the value of performing an additional search will decline below the cost of search as the number of motors examined increases. Thus an individual searcher will construct either explicitly or implicitly a model which will justify the continuation or termination of search.
This model must be defined by each searcher. Individuals discover the issue, identify a search procedure and proceed to exhaustion or success. But the search model is reasonably unique for each searcher. Koen has reached his own exhaustion and is satisfied that further search is useless. This is no guarantee that someone else may not search to success.
The issue that arises here is the effort to force Koen's search methodology and conclusion on all others. The decision to search belongs to each searcher. It is quite proper for Koen to state his reasons for not searching further. It is quite improper for him to attempt to force his search methodology and conclusion onto others. The decision to search and the attendant costs and benefits of searching belong independently to each searcher. Only if Koen has to pay the costs of others searching would he have a valid point.
The world is constantly changing. New ideas occur every day. Even a well searched area should occasionally be reexamined for fresh insight in the light of changed conditions. New attempts may produce effective results. Koen's attitude would preclude such searches. So once again I say that Koen has made his search, has concluded that there is nothing to be found. He should just post his results and conclusions and move on to something else. Hopefully his conclusions will be examined by others who will consider taking up the search but the evaluation is their business, not Koen's. The search now belongs to those who will take it up.
|
]
|
|
|
|
Turkish inventor, Muammer Yildiz, recently demonstrated his magnet motor that he alleged runs on the power of magnets alone at a University in the Netherlands. The motor is shown turning a fan at a high speed, and no wires can be seen going to the device; then the device was disassembled in front
of the group.
