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Embarasing "screw-ups" keep FE research in the fringe; what to do?
Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 @ 21:55:42 UTC by vlad

Testimonials Steorn's recent public demo failure (see article below) is a classic example of what NOT to do when you want to bring a disruptive technology to the world and change it forever. There is so much to lose from a public failure and so little to gain from a successful demo! ... and the enormous risk should have been obvious to any responsible person. If one is a gambler, at least improve your odds by testing the whole set-up, in situ, for days up to the event. Especially, when almost all alleged successful "free energy" (FE) technologies are notoriously unstable in their over-unity (O/U) operating mode (from plasma and (electro)magnetic based devices - rotating or solid state - to "cold-fusion" type cells).

STEORN started well by publicly challenging science to prove them wrong. A scientific validation of the experimental set-up is the first step every inventor of an alleged FE device must take to gain credibility. Indeed, quite a few inventors tried to do just that but the claim of "FE" is so outrageous and the scientists so "conservative" and busy (as the dog said: "so many trees, so little time!" ;-) that most don't even bother responding to such requests for validation (any involvement with "perpetual motion" could also be a career ending move). By going public in a big way, Steorn forced their hand and got their attention. Now, the public demo mistake will throw them in damage control for a long time (as you hear Sean admitting). I hope the smart people realize that nobody goes to such an extent as Steorn did to make a fool of themselves ("If we were here to rig a demo, we'd all be here watching a wheel spin." - Sean McCarthy).

A few weeks ago I was asked to respond to a few questions (from NEM) on this topic. Below is an extract from that questionnaire:


Question: What are your views regarding the reasons why the unconventional forms of free energy have not yet been released to the world?

Answer [Vlad/ZPEnergy]:

The lack of adequate proof of concept (most important/ critical/ essential step). Assuming that successful unconventional FE experimental set-ups (devices) exists (and I believe they do), undeniably proving that to the world is all it would take (in the present planetary circumstances) to usher a new era in the human evolution. What Steorn is doing now is one way to accomplish this. My Extreme Science Foundation (XSF and XS-NRG prize) proposal is another (I think better) way to do it.

The unstable operation in the O/U mode. Many experimental devices/ setups are not yet fully controlled in their O/U operation mode. There is no clear understanding of what triggers the “O/U state” and what happens when the unit trips out off that special condition (the “why”?). Without stable and consistent O/U functioning, there is no marketable product. Very few investors are willing to support possible many years of [mostly empirical] research to overcome this problem.

The lack of a proper theory to explain the O/U operation. Very few scientists are actively involved in the theoretical study of this ubiquitous, permanent, nonzero [extremely dense] source of energy in the Universe called ZP/Vacuum Energy. Unfortunately, this type of research is still considered by the present scientific community and media an unacceptable departure from the conventional thinking, and consequently ignored (or worst, ridiculed). A theoretical understanding of what/how to excite and organize the local vacuum for extracting useful energy, would quickly “resolve” both problems mentioned above.

Invention Secrecy Act, Inventor/Investor greed, “MIB” suppression (?) No need to comment on the first two; we all know they are real … valuable patents are being buried because our governments “national security” paranoia and/or vested interest greed. Greed and frustration is also responsible for the inventors choosing to take their invention into the ground with them instead of giving it to the world for free or to investors for less money than they hoped for. The MIB active (physical) suppression? … Possible, but I’m still to be convinced of that.

Question: What could be done to make it more likely for inventors and scientists and their supporters to achieve breakthroughs in this field? What forms of support are needed?

Answer [Vlad/ZPEnergy]

The single most important thing that would quickly and certainly achieve the breakthrough in this field is a “proper proof” that O/U technologies are real. [Proper proof = scientific validation + world-wide, effective media coverage]

- Since seeking “government legislation” as well as “private investment” support routs have miserably failed so far, the next logical step is involving “the public” to do it. Access to the general public is much easier these days through the wide spread penetration of the traditional media (written, radio and TV). But, the advent of the internet suddenly allowed the “connected” public to be aware of and get directly involved in many more aspects of the world’s “affairs” (such as influencing the democratic decision making process and the move of considerable funds in the commercial and financial sectors, among them). Successful businesses can be set up and public/media mobilization/influencing can be done, with almost no funds required, using the Internet these days.

- The constitution of an international nonprofit reputable organization with the main purpose to carry out independent, objective, unbiased and widely accepted scientific validation of "private research" in the field of unconventional new energy technologies is the first needed step (to gain acceptance & credibility). It will serve as an open access podium for all inventors/innovators out there to present their work for proper and honest validation (conducted for free and under NDA). It will also act as a vehicle through which donors will reward and promote those revolutionary technologies that prove to be viable, that otherwise would have great difficulty finding recognition and financial support. Once the general public and the academia are challenged with the reality of the fuel-less energy technologies, nothing will stop their rapid development and penetration in our day to day life. Theoretical physics will soon experience an explosive (r)evolution and concepts such as anti-gravity, inertia control, warp drive and worm holes space travel, teleportation and maybe time travel will all come down from the “fringe” into respectable leading edge scientific research…. but I digress…

- The Xtreme Science Foundation (XSF) proposal goes into the details of how such an organization should be formed and function. It also proposes an innovative way of private-public funding which is a key aspect for the success of such an enterprise.
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The feedback from NEM is good and maybe we can all join forces to end, once and for all, the gridlock FE movement finds itself in for decades. I call on all open minded people and organizations out there to get involved and support such a project that will help all of us go beyond what we think to be possible.

Vlad


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Re: Embarasing "screw-ups" keep FE research in the fringe; what to do? (Score: 1)
by bender772 on Monday, July 09, 2007 @ 07:15:20 UTC
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There is a conceivable other explanation of why public demonstrations of overunity devices would fail: sabotage.

I have of course no evidence that such occured in the Steorn case. But purely hypothetically speaking, IF nature permits overunity, and IF, as for example Steven Greer or Tom Bearden allege, black-ops projects have such and other devices that operate based on principles that are beyond the understanding of current mainstream science, then it is conceivable that such groups could sabotage an overunity demonstration remotely, by directing some directed energy weapon at it that destroys the physical conditions which the overunity device depends on.

This may seem like an unlikely scenario to a mainstream thinker - who of course assumes that free energy doesn't exist in the first place - but if free energy exists, then the conditional probability of the scenario above being correct is substantial.




Re: Embarasing "screw-ups" keep FE research in the fringe; what to do? (Score: 1)
by techmac on Monday, July 09, 2007 @ 15:08:36 UTC
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I agree, either sabotage to the machine itself or to soured human relations between the parties involved in the demonstration likely occured.
My involvement in some large military projects showed me that when a monumental demonstration for an admiral, general or such was about to happen, the nitpickinest thing could hold it back.
An example of how things went many times: "Countdown: 3, 2, 1, hold for trouble indication." After a few hours of no progress, the admiral would get antsy and go home.
There is nothing that was non-monumental about what was to be shown us in London. Those who make fun of it are of the type who would go wading on the shore of lake Michigan during a lightning storm. put their arms up high to make a good antenna, and beg God to put them out of their misery.


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Re: Embarasing "screw-ups" keep FE research in the fringe; what to do? (Score: 1)
by Veryskeptical on Monday, July 09, 2007 @ 15:49:04 UTC
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An immediate corollary to this is that there will never be a successful free energy demonstration for Bearden's scalar interferometers have the power to reach anywhere in the world with more power than needed to remove Kinetica from the the face of the earth. If subtlety is chosen then presumably enough energy could be selectively pumped into a device to damage it at a critical moment and ruin the demonstration. Still, sabotage is a possiblity. Perhaps the bearings were sabotaged before the devices left Steorn? Such scenarios are possible.

I would suggest that Steorn set up the device at an undisclosed location and a video feed put on their website as was done for the Kinetika demonstration and left to run 24/7 until a new public demonstration forum can be chosen. They have I think, nothing to lose by doing this and it might be worthwhile doing as a partial comeback anyway. And, if after a awhile, the device mysteriously keeps breaking down (they can run a control device at another site without cameras) they would have evidence of something peculiar going on. If this should happen they might have reason to talk to Bearden about it. But if this should all be true then the free energy movement has a truly formidable enemy against which the usual hostilities pale in comparison.


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