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Posted on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 @ 23:41:04 GMT by vlad

Science From ForteanTimes.com: Dr Hal Puthoff has been conducting serious scientific research at the frontiers of knowledge for over a quarter of a century.

In 1972, he and colleague Russell Targ, while researching lasers at the Stanford Research Institute, were asked by Edgar Mitchell to test the alleged psychic abilities of Uri Geller. Their paper caused something of a storm when it was published in the science journal Nature. The paper and relevant articles are linked to the bottom of this page.

Subsequently Puthoff was instrumental in setting up and running the US Government's controversial Remote Viewing programme, which would continue for over 20 years beofre being made public in 1995.

Today Puthoff is investigating Zero Point Energy, a possibly limitless, pollution-free energy source that could just change the our lives on earth and propell humankind into deep space.

Could you describe, in layman's terms, your own current research into Zero Point Energy.

Physicists universally recognize that so-called empty space, even the vacuum of outer space, is not truly empty, but is the seat of energetic field processes, sort of the electromagnetic equivalent of froth at the base of a waterfall. (The term "zero-point" simply means that if the universe were cooled down to absolute zero where all thermal agitation effects would be frozen out, this energy would still remain.) What is not as well known, however, even among practicing physicists, are all the implications that derive from this known aspect o quantum physics. However, there are a group of physicists - - myself and colleagues at several research labs and universities - - who are examining the details, We ask such questions as whether it might be possible to "mine" this reservoir of energy for use as an alternative energy source, or whether this background energy field might be responsible for inertia and gravity. These questions are of interest because it is known that this energy can be manipulated, and therefore there is the possibility that the control of this energy, and possibly inertia and gravity, might yield to engineering solutions. Some progress has been made in a subcategory of this field (cavity quantum electrodynamics) with regard to controlling the emission rates of excited atoms and molecules, of interest in laser research and elsewhere.

How close do you think you might be, in your own research, to some kind of breakthrough?

Predicting when a breakthrough in a scientific field will occur is like throwing darts to choose your stocks! The only thing that can be said with any certainty is that it probably won't occur if you don't work on the problem. That said, one hopes that within a decade or two some significant progress will be made, even if only incrementally.

Other than space travel, what kinds of applications do you imagine your own work might be used in?

With regard to the potential tapping of zero-point energy, if it were found that significant energy could be generated, then application to earthbound problems would be foremost. Because of the increasing possibility of water shortages in various parts of the world, if ZPE energy generation were competitive with current resources, I would see water desalinization as being a major application. The possibility of the use of ZPE to reduce fossil fuel pollution for transportation would also be attractive, again, if economical.

Have you had any response from fossil fuels companies about your work? Are they doing any research in this area?

I had an opportunity to brief the Presidents and Research Directors of several of the major oil companies on the potential promise of zero-point energy as an alternative energy resource. Contrary to the "urban myth," they said they would welcome such a breakthrough because the use of fossil fuels for cars and heating had a very low profit margin as compared to its use for manufacturing plastics, pharmaceuticals, etc. They likened it to heating your house by burning Picassos and van Goghs.


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Re: DR HAL PUTHOFF: From SRI to ZPE (Score: 1)
by irjsi on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 @ 07:20:43 GMT
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Thank you Dr. Puthoff:

 . . .if you don't work on the problem
. . . ( breakthrough's' will NOT occur  ) . . .

Too many thoughts for site comment limit,
and I have to find a dollar for the rent!

You apparently have no aversion to
entering the 'unknown'!
In response to: Thinking outside the box.
You would likely ask:  "What is a box?"

Roy Stewart,
Phoenix AZ

Re: DR HAL PUTHOFF: From SRI to ZPE (Score: 1)
by pulsed_ignition on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 @ 20:10:19 GMT
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Dr. Puthoff can best explain what I have already achieved - however when that will occur has yet to be determined.

Chris Arnold
AKA jupiter1945

Re: DR HAL PUTHOFF: From SRI to ZPE (Score: 1)
by Koen on Thursday, December 14, 2006 @ 04:35:13 GMT
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What is ZPE?

For SED (Stochastic ElectroDynamics) it is sufficient to assume that vacuum contains a real (not virtual) zero point energy, such that the wave-nature (and all other quantum mechanical effects) can be explained by the interaction of CLASSICAL particles and a real vacuum ZPE.
SED theory does not describe in full detail what ZPE consists of. Only its 'randomness' is sufficient to explain the statistical nature of particles.

Hal assumes that ZPE is a background field of random phase broad-spectrum electro-magnetic waves that interacts with all material particles. The interaction is a continuous exchange of energy to- and from particles.

Hal's model has two problems:
- the total randomness of the TEM waves actually excludes the posibility of using the ZPE, because of the second law of thermodynamics (no negative entropy).
- Hal cannot be sure if ZPE consists of TEM waves. If the ZPE is not TEM waves, then Hal's assumption is useless for developing ZPE driven devices.

Tom Bearden said something interesting about the nature of the electric field: it is an ordering of the random ZPE waves. Indeed, if the ZPE consists of longitudinal electric waves, then the Coulomb field around a charged particle can be interpreted as a PHASE COHERENT broadspectrum of longitudinal electric waves (as proven by Whittaker), and this is noticeable as the electric Coulomb field around the charge. This coherent phase wave spectrum is EMITTED by the charge, and in order to have energy balance and ALSO statistical nature  the charged particle should also receive random phase longitudinal(?) waves.

So, a charged particle is something like a NEGATIVE ENTROPY engine: it orders the phases of received random phase waves  and this we observe as the electric field around the charge. Also neutral particles exists with statistical nature, so the emitted wave spectrum of neutral particles also has a random phase (no noticeable electric field).

This information (if true) could lead to an entirely different approach of using the ZPE,  and should be consistent with devices developed by Tesla, Morray, Chernetski, Gray and Baumann.

Re: Re: DR HAL PUTHOFF: From SRI to ZPE (Score: 1)
by irjsi on Friday, December 15, 2006 @ 07:54:24 GMT
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ref.  "Hal's model has two problems:"
- the total randomness of the TEM waves actually
excludes the posibility of using the ZPE,
because of the second law of thermodynamics
(no negative entropy).   . . . .

The 'Laws' of Thermodynamics are illogical !

One might conclude that nothing exists beyond
the Horizon because that is as far as I can see or think!
Also, any scientist adamantly refusing the possibility
of either 'Intelligent Design', or 'Creationism', deserves
no respect from this writer. 
ie. "Everything has been invented! 
"Close the Patent office!"

Allude to "Thinking outside the Box"
I want no 'Boxed in Minds' deciding truth for me !

As a seven year old, I was not consulted before the
US incinerated Hiroshima and Nagasaki!
As a seven year old, with an explanation of the
unprecedented energy released via nuclear fission,
I would hope to have suggested:  "This is not
a project in which America should be involved, much
less deploy against the citizenry with no greater
and/or no lesser ability to influence the powers in charge!"
The (adoption) of the 16th Amendment to the
United States Constitution offers sufficient proof of
cloudy thinking by 'the powers in charge'!

Ranking members of the Japanese Government were
not invited to 'Trinity', which incidentally, awakened
Dr. Oppenheimer: ". . . I am become death,
destroyer of worlds . . ."
Denying Khruschev a cherished visit to Disneyland
was another MAJOR BLUNDER commited by
'the (U.S.) powers in charge' ! ! !

Roy Stewart,
Phoenix AZ


Re: Re: DR HAL PUTHOFF: From SRI to ZPE (Score: 1)
by Koen on Friday, December 29, 2006 @ 07:02:26 GMT
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Yeah, this is what I mean Roy:  the 'second law' is already violated by a Coulomb charge: it orders incoming ZPF energy into a coherent macroscopic Coulomb field (electric field) that consists of outgoing waves.  This is where I agree with Bearden: an electric field or magnetic field is some sort of ORDERING (lower energetic state) of the ZPF, since the incoming ZPF waves have RANDOM wave phases, and according to Whittaker the Coulomb field consists of outgoing longitudinal waves with ORDERED wave phases.
This 'ordering process' is an example of negative entropy.

So you are right Roy,  nature  shows also negative entropic processes, goodbuy second law of thermodynamics.

If entropy can only increase, and finally the cosmos dies by reaching the lowest energy state,  how do you explain the very existence of HIGHER energy state and a dynamical cosmos in the first place? How did the cosmos got into a "higher"  energy state? It is unscientific to "explain" this by postulating the Big Bang, since this is an ad hoc "explanation" for which there is no proof.

There can always be an experimental fact that refutes a cherished physics law, no matter what law.

The problem with  Puthoff's theory is that it does not describe any phase coherence/ordering.


Re: DR HAL PUTHOFF: From SRI to ZPE (Score: 1)
by kurt9 on Thursday, December 14, 2006 @ 09:36:21 GMT
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Maybe I am dense, but the problem I have with the whole concept of ZPE based "free energy" is that useful energy comes from having a difference between a higher and lower energy state. If the vacumn is the lowest energy state, then how is it possible to get useful energy out of it without having an even "lower" energy state than the vacumn that you are trying to get energy out of.

The ZPE idea simply makes no sense to me.

Re: Re: DR HAL PUTHOFF: From SRI to ZPE (Score: 1)
by pulsed_ignition on Thursday, December 14, 2006 @ 10:02:25 GMT
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You are correct in wondering how a lower energy can be tapped to provide excess power - because THAT does not make sense. The idea is BS and was put there to confuse those that do not dare question. ZPE can be tapped and the energy is extremely powerful, and nothing like the falsely posted "lowest energy in a system."

The vacuum contains one of the highest possible sources of energy, and there are "people" that do not want you looking for ways to tap it - which is why they proclaim it is the lowest energy in the system BS.

The questions are, who and what will you believe, and when will the rest of you DARE to question anything, no matter what that is?



Re: Re: DR HAL PUTHOFF: From SRI to ZPE (Score: 1)
by nanotech on Thursday, December 14, 2006 @ 19:50:26 GMT
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That is a good question, Kurt, and perhaps this is a good response to it. Tom Bearden and some other overunity researchers were discussing this issue, about the lowest state of the ZPE, and basically the answer was this:

The Zero Point Energy level is NOT the final level, rather, there are DEEPER levels, what is called the Dirac Sea or Virtual State Ocean, which David Bohm called the Quantum SUPER Potential. The ZPE is at the Quantum Potential level, but there are DEEPER LEVELS below the ZPE.

Hal Puthoff wisely stops at the ZPE Level, he does NOT go into the deeper "super quantum levels"...in which the Nobel Prize Winning work of Lee and Yang's Broken Symmetry dealt with....this is when you become a "scientific heretic". The ZPE zitterbewung can be tapped, yes, but it requires nanoscale devices or clever use of plasma like casimir force cavities, etc. The tremendous power is deeper, in the Virtual State Ocean.


Re: Re: DR HAL PUTHOFF: From SRI to ZPE (Score: 1)
by Koen on Friday, December 29, 2006 @ 07:18:42 GMT
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Whittaker described the Coulomb field (electric field around an electric charge) as an ORDERED phase wave spectrum of emitted longitudinal electric waves.

This means that a charged particle represents a lower energetic state than a neutral particle. Also, the creation of an electric field means: lowering the energetic state of the vacuum, and the destruction of an electric field means a highering of the energetic state of the vacuum.

So, the ZPF is not the lowest energy state. In fact, matter and fields are much lower energetic forms than the vacuum ZPF.

This means that the ZPE is delivering power when suddenly destroying an electric (or magnetic) field, the more sudden the better.



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