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Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology
Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 @ 16:59:28 UTC by vlad
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techmac writes: An Irish company threw down the gauntlet on Friday to the worldwide scientific community to test a technology it has developed that it claims produces free energy.
The company, Steorn (http://www.steorn.net), says its discovery is based on the interaction of magnetic fields and allows the production of clean, free and constant energy -- a concept that challenges one of the basic rules of physics.
It claims the technology can be used to supply energy for virtually all devices, from mobile phones to cars.
Steorn issued its challenge through an advertisement in the Economist magazine this week quoting Ireland's Nobel prize-winning author George Bernard Shaw who said that "all great truths begin as blasphemies".
Sean McCarthy, Steorn's chief executive officer, said they had issued the challenge for 12 physicists to rigorously test the technology so it can be developed.
"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.
"The energy isn't being converted from any other source such as the energy within the magnet. It's literally created. Once the technology operates it provides a constant stream of clean energy," he told Ireland's RTE radio.
McCarthy said Steorn had not set out to develop the technology, but "it actually fell out of another project we were working on".
One of the basic principles of physics is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change form.
McCarthy said a big obstacle to overcome was the disbelief that what they had developed was even possible.
"For the first six months that we looked at it we literally didn't believe it ourselves. Over the last three years it had been rigorously tested in our own laboratories, in independent laboratories and so on," he said.
"But we have been unable to get significant scientific interest in it. We have had scientists come in, test it and, off the record, they are quite happy to admit that it works.
"But for us to be able to commercialize this and put this into peoples' lives we need credible, academic validation in the public domain and hence the challenge," McCarthy said.
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Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology (Score: 1)
by bender772 on Saturday, August 19, 2006 @ 04:05:43 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.suppressedscience.net | | This topic is also being discussed on the science blog of the Houston Chronicle,
http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2006/08/free_energy_to.html
Currently, the pseudoskeptical voices dominate the debate, and there is much need for some balance. |
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Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology (Score: 1)
by kurt9 on Saturday, August 19, 2006 @ 13:37:16 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.metatechnica.com | I saw the website. It certainly is skimpy on details of the technology.
Caveat Emptor - Let the buyer beware...
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Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology (Score: 1)
by Koen on Saturday, August 19, 2006 @ 14:28:41 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://no.nl/tesla | Steorn claims that their invention was tested by independant scientists, but
not a single name of an independent scientist or science lab was mentioned. This is strange. And no technical details on the website, "how mysterious".
I think Steorn is fake. Just another 'false science project' operation to steer the 'free energy' minded into a particular direction, or to waste our time.
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Re: Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technolog (Score: 1)
by modernsteam on Sunday, August 20, 2006 @ 09:11:59 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Re:"not a single name of an independent scientist or science lab was mentioned"
If an independent, usually "conventional", scientist or engineer
validated the Steorn device as true in accordance with Steorn's claims,
said scientist or engineer might rightly fear becoming a pariah amongst
some of his/her peers. As a result, one's career usually suffers. Is
there any wonder that those who are alleged to have validated the
device as working as claimed, wouldn't let their names be published?
Look what happened to Pons, Fleischmann, Valone, Mallove,
Hagelstein, Bockris etc.
Hal Ade
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Re: Re: Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' techn (Score: 1)
by Breizh_Free on Sunday, August 20, 2006 @ 10:08:45 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Hi !
Hal , What you say is true.I confirm , I read that many honest
scientists have been "erased" or got "an accident" for publishing new
technologies about antigravity ... for exemple.
What I want today is : not to pay anymore for the petroleum lobbies like Saudies'one !!!
Free energy for all humankind ! NOW
Breizh_Free.
p.s : please forgive my poor english
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Re: Re: Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' techn (Score: 1)
by Koen on Monday, August 21, 2006 @ 08:12:31 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://no.nl/tesla | Hal, could you give me examples of such scientists who validated a unconventional free-energy device, and then had to pay a price?
If official science is so ultimately corrupted and manipulated, then why is it useful to "steorn" to CHALLENGE official scientists in the first place? If steorn is on the illuminati payroll, then their challenge can also be a trap to scientist, so Hal I hope you realise that "steorn" can be anything but benign.
If one cannot verify a particular claim then that claim is without any value.
For instance:
"Right here on my kitchen table I have an unconventional free-energy device that has been verified by many scientists, captains of industry, and even presidents of some countries. All these people who are aware of my inventions are afraid to speak about it, though they know my device functions. Some use my device for the own car/household, but will deny they do this." Now, how wants to invest money in my firm?
Easy, isn't it? Only thing I have to do next is to make a cool website (paid by illuminati money?) to spread my claim.
We need SUBSTANTIAL claims that can be verified independantly, not steorn's bedtime stories. Too many unverifyable free-energy claims in the open, and EVERYBODY will loose interest in this subject. And just THAT can very well be one of the objectives of the people who made up "steorn".
If steorn is for real the ONLY thing they can do is to show all the technical details on the internet and give it away for free, because the illuminati will not allow investors or scientists to meddle with free-energy in general! The fact that steorn is hiding all verifyable details means that they are FAKE, and essentially a trap.
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Re: Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technolog (Score: 1)
by malc on Sunday, August 20, 2006 @ 12:17:15 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mripley | Look at the blog for the Houston Chronicle and you would have to be an insane scientist (or retired) to put your name forward as one who has verified their claim. Catch 22 - due to the closed mind attitude of the scientific community no scientist will admit to verifying such a device and since no such device exists (verfied) the existing attitude prevails.
The problem with a retired scientist is that his claim will more than likely be accompanied by inferences that he is senile!
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Re: Re: Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' techn (Score: 1)
by malc on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 @ 00:21:17 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mripley | | This may well be a fraud but at this moment in time I do not have enough information to come to that conclusion. Please tell me, what additional information do you have that leads you to this conclusion ? |
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MPI APPLAUDS IRISH SCIENTIFIC CHALLENGE (Score: 1)
by vlad on Saturday, August 19, 2006 @ 22:12:58 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | A Dublin, Ireland based Intellectual Property licensing firm, Steorn, has challenged the scientific community. In an advertisement published in the current issue of “The Economist” the firm calls for twelve skeptical scientists to come forward and test their claim to have achieved more output than input, “Over Unity,” in magnetic machines. Steorn promises to publish the results; whatever the conclusions, in a future issue of the magazine.
Magnetic Power, Inc. (MPI) applauds the challenger! As MPI is also a developer of magnetic devices which deliver electric power without fuel, and without breaking the basic laws of physics. MPI is glad to see that Steorn’s challenge is being taken seriously by the scientific community. “Our own laboratory results confirm what Steorn is saying,” said MPI’s Mark Goldes, Chairman and CEO of the Sebastopol California based company.
Given the urgent need for breakthrough energy systems, Goldes hopes the challenge will, as Steorn says, enable them to take less than the projected “five to seven years for the world to accept the possibility of superseding existing energy technology with magnetic systems.”
On their website: www.steorn.com the company claims that the new technology can eventually power everything from cell phones to automobiles. The site also contains a five minute video that explains why they have published the advertisement. One reason is the apparent violation of Conservation of Energy, a fundamental axiom of physics, which makes it hard for scientists to accept the emerging science of magnetic energy technology.
Goldes’ enthusiasm for his Irish colleagues’ scientific efforts supports his hopes that success by the Irish Group will take the mystery out of fuel-free magnetic systems that can operate around the clock. This will speed the ability of Magnetic Power Modules™ to attract the financial resources needed to commercialize these systems as rapidly as is humanly possible, in order to meet the environmental chaos threatened by global warming.
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Magnetic Power Inc. All rights
reserved. 8-19-06
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Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology (Score: 1)
by Sigma on Sunday, August 20, 2006 @ 05:36:37 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | I have no real opinion on this, however I hope it is true. I guess we will know soon. |
Re: Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technolog (Score: 1)
by Sigma on Sunday, August 20, 2006 @ 13:55:17 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | The more I think about it, the more I realize that this announcement could make or break an chance of free energy devices getting on to the market.
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Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology (Score: 1)
by Sigma on Sunday, August 20, 2006 @ 13:53:53 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Either way you slice it, an annoucement of this magnitude will have a long lasting effect on the mainstream regarding "free energy" good or bad. Thats why as members of the ZPE community we need to hope with all of our being that this is true... or it may be another 15-20 years before anyone even considers the possibility of an OU device.
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Hilden-Brand High Efficiency Motor (Score: 1)
by vlad on Sunday, August 20, 2006 @ 13:55:07 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | From KeelyNet.com: Jerry Decker writes: 08/20/06 - I could be wrong but it looks like Steorn is very close to an invention by Jack Hilden-Brand!!!
Check out this post from 11/14/05. Jack showed his devices, (which I
have personally tested here in Mexico), at a trade fair where many
people and companies saw them. To the best of my understanding, Jack
uses bucking magnetic fields and flux redirection, whereas the Steorn
claim smacks of the Ecklin device that also used a flux redirecting magnetic shield...thus 'prior art' comes into play (and there are other such patents)...
Read more: http://www.keelynet.com/#whatsnew
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Re: Hilden-Brand High Efficiency Motor (Score: 1)
by nanotech on Monday, August 21, 2006 @ 10:58:52 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Bucking Fields = Scalar wave energy/Tesla waves. As Dr Moray B King and Tom Bearden and others point out. The bucking magnetic fields open the system to the vast sea of seething virtual state/ether energy. Fascinating!
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Re: Re: Hilden-Brand High Efficiency Motor (Score: 1)
by Koen on Monday, August 21, 2006 @ 11:17:34 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://no.nl/tesla | Bucking fields have NOTHING todo with scalar waves nor with Tesla waves.
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Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology (Score: 1)
by iroanium on Monday, August 21, 2006 @ 06:40:10 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | GWE again???
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Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology (Score: 1)
by Tzigone on Monday, August 21, 2006 @ 11:14:40 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Will they narrow it down to 12 people - you know that'll have someone
screaming "bias" no matter which 12 they choose or what method they use
to choose.
How long will that take? How long will the validation procedure
take? How will the results be made public? I assume the
identities and credentials of those on the "jury" will be made
public?
I also wonder what'll happen if they don't all agree, especially if it's evenly split.
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Steorn to Push Tipping Point for Magnet Motor Technology (Score: 1)
by vlad on Monday, August 21, 2006 @ 19:51:54 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | To solidify the credentials of a radical, new energy approach,
Irish Company intents to select jury of 12 hard-core skeptics with high
academic qualifications to review existing data, then design testing
procedure, test, and publish the results.
PESN Interview with Sean McCarthy, Steorn CEO, Aug. 21, 2006
by Sterling
D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News (PESN)
Copyright © 2006
DUBLIN, IRELAND -- Irish high-technology firm,
Steorn, has stirred the imagination of the world's scientific community
with their recent posting of an advertisement
in The Economist on Aug. 18 announcing that they have a working
free-energy technology. The full-page ad stated that their
independently-tested technology is capable of providing the world with
"an infinite supply of pure energy," so that the need to
recharge a phone or refuel a car becomes obsolete. The brief
announcement stated that they are seeking a jury of twelve scientists who
are "the most qualified and the most cynical" to test the
technology and publish their findings. Read article: http://pesn.com/2006/08/21/9500298_Steorn_free_energy_gauntlet/
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Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology (Score: 1)
by FDT on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 @ 12:34:30 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | At the moment we don’t have sufficient information upon which to decide whether or not what Steorn are saying is true or false. But if it should turn out that they have indeed found a way of extracting energy from the so-called vacuum in the magnetized state, then we can be pretty sure that the supply will not be infinite. The energy stored in the so-called vacuum takes the form of kinetic and potential energy associated with a sea of rotating electron positron dipoles. See ‘The Double Helix Theory of the Magnetic Field’,
http://www.zpenergy.com/downloads/electricsea.pdf
If energy is somehow extracted from this sea while it is in the magnetized state, then the equilibrium restoring pressure of the arrangement will ensure that the loss will be equally distributed throughout every part of the universe to which this sea extends.
Eventually over a period of time, the energy loss from the electric sea will show up in the form of an altered speed of light, and in many more totally unpredictable manners.
However, the probability is that it would be a very long time before any of the side effects would be noticed. Steorn might have discovered an extremely large supply of energy in the so-called vacuum, but it will most certainly not be infinite.
Yours sincerely, David Tombe
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Re: Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technolog (Score: 1)
by modernsteam on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 @ 19:09:07 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | So, if I understand correctly, what Wheeler, Dirac, Planck,
Sakharov, Schwinger, Feynman et al. have implied, if not explicitly
stated, is that the "sea" of energy is infinite because of their
calculations of the energy density of the vacuum, making it seem
infinite. To the guy on the street, I believe Bearden and certain
others have said, in effect, "take a joule out through a
'cross-section' or set of charges, put it to work powering a load with
a bunch of other joules, and then put them all back into the vacuum".
But they've also said that those same joules can be re-used ... forever
.. after they've been returned to the Vacuum.
However, even if there's ultimately a finite amount of energy in the
universe as a whole, either as energy, or as
matter, in compliance with the Law of Conservation of Energy,
we'd not necessarily deplete the energy as it's used, but at worst,
change it to matter; a good chunk of it would also be sent back to the
vacuum as dissipated heat, light, perhaps mechanical action. If all the universe's civilizations used too many
Petawatt-Years at one time, then, there would be problems. I didn't
know
about the speed of light being affected, but wouldn't gravity
overall be increased, if enough energy is converted to matter at the end of each duty-cycle, to say
nothing of the heat losses which could roast those planets which use
too much of it? The heat from motors and gear-boxes is a great example.
But as long as we and all the other creatures in the universe have
billions, if not trillions of years of the stuff, then who cares at
this juncture. We've got lots of time to fix that problem, but we need
Free Energy now.
Hal Ade.
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Useful Energy Always Runs Out (Score: 1)
by FDT on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 @ 14:08:57 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Hal,
You covered a number of interesting areas in your reply.
(1) The fact that energy is never destroyed, but only changes form.
(2) Energy dissipation via electromagnetic radiation.
(3) Mass energy equivalence.
(4) The effect of the electric sea on gravity.
Let's start with (1). Yes, energy is never destroyed and so there is no theoretical reason why exhaust energy can't immediately go back into the original source and repeat the cycle over and over again. In fact it is probably wrong for us to link in our minds the law of conservation of energy with another completely different law which we observe in practice ie. that 'Useful energy always runs out'.
Now let's look at (2). We must distinguish between the energy which is stored in the electric sea on the one hand, and electric and magnetic field energy on the other hand. The latter also involve energy storage in the electric sea, but they relate exclusively to the additional energy which is stored in the electric sea, over and above that which is intrinsically present in the equilibrium state. This additional energy arises out of the stress of linear polarization and magnetization. Electromagnetic radiation is about the propagation of this additional energy through the electric sea, and is not directly linked to the intrinsic energy of the electric sea in its equilibrium state. If Steorn are correct, I suspect that they will have found a way of extracting energy out of the electric sea such as to reduce the overall equilibrium energy. If this energy is then later dissipated as electromagnetic radiation through the electric sea, that is not the same as it being returned back into the electric sea. It will be propagated elsewhere, and I have no idea how many stages will be involved throughout the universe before this energy, if ever, is restored into the electric sea.
(3) Mass energy equivalence does not exist. Einstein's famous equation E=mc² is actually Newton's equation for the speed of sound. Maxwell uses this equation in his 1861 paper (at equation 132) to show that light is an electromagnetic wave. Dr. Simhony has shown that the energy term refers to the binding energy between the electrons and positrons.
(4) Until recently, I wouldn't have linked the electric sea to gravity at all. However, in view of my recent conclusion that gravity is negative electricity,
http://www.wbabin.net/science/tombe6.pdf
then it does indeed follow that changes in the intrinsic energy of the electric sea will lead to changes in the transverse elasticity and hence the permittivity, and hence the magnitude of the Coulomb force acting between charged bodies immersed in the electric sea.
Finally, you are absolutely right. If we can get a few million years of use out of Steorn's invention, then it truly will be a remarkable invention, even if the supply is not actually infinite.
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Re: Useful Energy Always Runs Out (Score: 1)
by modernsteam on Thursday, August 24, 2006 @ 08:29:50 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Thank-you, David. You've given us a lot to think about. I'll be storing
your commentary off-line, and re-reading it as much as necessary to get
a proper handle on it, in conjunction with other texts, to ensure I
understand the fundamentals. It's possible I may have some
questions later.
Thanks again,
Hal Ade.
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Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology (Score: 1)
by Rothhaar on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 @ 14:33:20 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | I've been following free energy claims for a number of years and this is certainly the most interesting one to come along in awhile. It's interesting, not because of the technology itself, which is still a mystery, but because of the high profile, well-funded strategy Steorn is taking. Full page ads in The Economist are not cheap and it's hard to see the advantage in this approach if it is all a con. I've read some of the science-related blogs that are discussing this and while there is plently of the usual rabid, dismissive incredulity, there is also an element of caution amongst the skeptics - a bafflement at the boldness of Steorn's challenge.
Usually, when you take a close look at these claims, it doesn't take long to identify the sleight of hand. With GWE, there was the fact that it was run by some insurance sales persons and was signing up licensees before they'd demonstrated anything. With others, there is the perpetual missed deadlines. Things are always going to happen in the future, sometime in the next year or so when such and such technology will be completed and unveiled, but of course the device and the proof never arrives. Steorn is the first free enegy claim that I can remember to say, "we have it now, come test it."
There are some things about the Steorn claim that make me suspicious - such as the extremely vague description of the technology, and their utterly insane claim of creating energy. One thing I agree with the skeptics about is that it is not possible that their device creates energy. If it is overunity, then some source of energy has been tapped. Perhaps the source cannot easily be identified, but there must be a source. It's foolish for Steorn to make the claim of creating energy when they're trying to achieve credibility. That's like throwing meat to the lions. It would have been much wiser to say that they don't know where the energy comes from and hope the scientific community can supply the answer during the validation process. The claim of energy creation is so ridiculous that it makes me wonder if it is meant as a wink to the knowing.
In my opinion, the Steorn claim is not an attempt to hoodwink people out of money. They've eliminated that possibility for themselves by creating such a high profile. Either they actually have something that works or they have something that they think works. It could also be that this is a disinformation operation. You get lots of people worked up about the possibility of free energy, then when it crashes and burns the entire concept is discredited. Time will tell.
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Re: Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technolog (Score: 1)
by techmac on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 @ 18:45:06 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.geocities.com/mgmlab04 | | The people who are involved in the development and production of free energy magnetic devices should be lauded as heros and celebrated by the world. Comparing the new inventors with the scientists who run like scared cats from free energy is a very ironic observational sport that I take great delight in. I have seen evidence enough of free energy in my own laboratory to make me a believer, so I can relax in contentment and observe the drama unfolding before the world, knowing that with the power of the internet the knowledge of free energy devices will not be kept from the masses of common engineers and scientists for much longer. |
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They're all Illuminati shills (Score: 1)
by Kadamose on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 @ 19:58:35 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Unfortunately, most of these inventors are Illuminati shills trying to move the NWO agenda forward. 'Free Energy' has been suppressed for over a hundred years, mainly because, at that time, the Illuminati did not have any means to charge for 'Free Energy' It is my assumption that they've finally figured out a way to charge people for it - hence, why such inventions are coming out into the open with no visible opposition.
Regulations and all that other garbage are going to be playing a big role too; they'll be used to limit the average joe from tapping too much Free Energy, thus, once again, limiting the populace to the drone mentality. 'Do what your told...or else.'
Sorry, but the only people who should be lauded as heroes are the ones who give such technology away for free -- you don't see any of those people around now, do you?
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Re: They're all Illuminati shills (Score: 1)
by modernsteam on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 @ 06:44:15 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Re: "the ones who give such technology away for free"
Well, if you spent the equivalent (pick your currency) of millions of
US Dollars, plus the sweat equity of the principals of the company,
often not yet getting any income from their efforts, the under-paid
high-level engineers/scientists who are promised a cut of the royalties
to compensate for the pittance they received, plus
the often hard-earned funds from investors who wait years with no
return, perhaps you'd understand why the company doesn't want to
release such hard-gotten info before the intellectual property, which
they rightly own due to their efforts or investment, is protected from
cultures in certain parts of the world who believe that IP is free for
the taking, with nothing owed to those who paid in some way to acquire
it. I say "cultures", because the objective of these types is to
produce the products royalty-free with less-than-$1/hr. labour to
export to the U.S., Canada, Western Europe, Australasia and other
well-off countries.
The good part is that Steorn intends to allow the Third World to have
their technology royalty-free for necessary purposes. We, in the
wealthier countries, have an obligation to pay workers fairly for the
production of these devices, and to pay proper royalties to those who
have spent their own resources to come up with the technology. So,
until their IP is protected from those of us who are wont to
steal it, including some well-off associates of mine in Canada, who
respect their own labour, but nobody else's - hypocrites, I call 'em -
, I don't blame Steorn one bit for "holding their cards to their chest"
for awhile. Beside, if the testers sign an NDA, they'll be shown all
the necessary technology to do the tests properly.
Hal Ade
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Re: Re: They're all Illuminati shills (Score: 1)
by Kadamose on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 @ 10:24:30 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | If the the technology is not given to the world, first and foremost...then it shall be wasted. If the plans were given to everyone for free, they would use their own resources to build the devices. With that said, the corporate mentality is pretty pathetic and stifles innovation.
By the way, you can't have 'free energy' if the technology isn't free to begin with. That, in itself, is hypocritical.
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Re: Re: Re: They're all Illuminati shills (Score: 1)
by malc on Thursday, August 24, 2006 @ 00:40:12 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mripley | What rubbish. Sunshine is free but solar power costs money.
I think we all know what we mean by "free energy". Running costs of zero i.e. the fuel cost.
Even in Ireland they have to pay for food so their attempt to make a living by not publishing "how" yet is not a problem and giving it to the third world is admirable. My problem is even if the device works it will not be believed because they have kept it to themselves. You can be absolutely guaranteed that every person currently pouring scorn over their claims will shout that the results (by the scientific jury of 12) are false. In this case they are being naive to believe that producing something contrary to what thousands teach and have been tought around the world will be welcomed ! They would have more luck going to their local chapel and telling the priest that they have proof that God does not exist.....even in Ireland!
So unfortunately even if the 12 prove the device works it will be buried by the scientists (employed/consulted by banks, companies and politicians) who can't be open minded enough to approve funding. |
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Can You Spell: B..A..L..L..S (Score: 1)
by sparks35 on Friday, August 25, 2006 @ 01:07:47 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Will the MEN involved here have THE COURAGE to move forward?
Names are 'on the table'...Reputations are 'at stake'...
A question should be put forth...Does one aspire to 'KNIGHTHOOD' or to 'WHOREDOM'?
We journey through our lives on this ONE EARTH. |
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Re: Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology (Score: 1)
by ryandinan on Monday, August 28, 2006 @ 08:10:40 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | I don't see why it is so "crazy" to say that they are "creating energy". Why can't it be created? Because 'we' have a law that says so? I think the foundations on which the laws of thermodynamics are based, are potentially flawed - meaning, every law derived from it could be wrong. Just because our current technology seems to agree with these laws, does not mean these laws can't be proven false. Look at flying... it was said that heavier-than-air objects couldn't fly (although people could observe birds flying, which were obviously heavier than air). Once that "law" was proven false, airplanes became mainstream in a matter of a few years.
Hey, look at it this way - all the energy we see around us had to be created at some point (otherwise it wouldn't be here now would it?) Why can't more energy be created - or destroyed for that matter? I realize this way of thinking can lead into the philosophical and "religious" realms, but maybe that's where science will end up. ?
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