Suppression and credibility
Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 @ 03:17:00 UTC by vlad
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With the permission from the main authors, I'm reproducing here a thread on the title topic from the free_energy yahoo group. This is quite representative of the struggle any isolated individual inventor of an unusual, unconventional, revolutionary technology has to go through to prove him/herself legit.
I said it before and I say it again: we must demand from our governments and publicly funded scientific/educational/research organizations to provide funds and resources for an organized systematic effort, at national or regional level, to investigate and evaluate all these people and their technologies, starting with those that have working devices. They should provide a report to the public (who can also propose inventors and eventually rank them for urgency of evaluation) with the examined technologies and the conclusions from the qualified independent testing. Even if the success rate is less than 1 in 10, I'm convinced that the benefits for the society from many of these ingenious inventions would more that pay for the effort to actively search for them. [Vlad]
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Message:
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:08:42 -0700
From: George Wiseman
Subject: Re: Re: Suppression
>> I realize that 90 percent of the 'physicists' in these
>> groups are simply here to block progress, to maintain
>> the status quo of disinfo and cointel -- preserve the
>> monopology of western deception and newspeak -- to
>> regurgitate the same NOTHING they have been programming
>> us with for ten decades.
>
>
>Do you mean the same "NOTHING" that has made possible all of the
>following technology that conspiracy addicts like you take for
>granted?
Whoa there... The problems and perceptions here are extreme, yet both
valid in context.
I'm not wanting to spark a big discussion, for which I do not have time
or interest, I just couldn't resist putting in my 2 cents because I see
innocence and ignorance being displayed.
There have obviously been major advances in some fields, like electronics
and medical science. Much worthwhile has been accomplished but I submit
that it has either been in spite of suppression or in areas where
suppression doesn't exist.
For example; computers wouldn't have been implemented to the public,
bringing down their cost and fueling greater research if lone inventors
hadn't developed both home computers and operating systems that would
have put IBM out of business. IBM was caught unprepared and did what
they could to reestablish control of the new market.
Medical science is so dominated by 'vested interest' that they are trying
to even label vitamins as 'drugs'. Cures for diseases are often ignored
and even actively suppressed in favor of techniques that just treat
symptoms and incidentally make much more money.
In other fields we are still using technology virtually unchanged (with
only cosmetic changes) for over 100 years, like internal combustion.
This is a field in which I have some expertise and where I have
personally experienced suppression of several different kinds. I have
given a few of the details in my newsletters:
http://www.eagle-research.com/newsletter/newsletter.html
The electrical power grid, radio, robotics, and the basis of much of the
medical diagnostic was invented and implemented by Nikola Tesla around
the beginning of last century.
I can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that 'Vested Interest' does
suppress technology that would cause their 'investments' to produce less
income. Depending on the particular technology, such as fossil-fuel
consumption, vested interest could even be governments.
I have personally attended a meeting between industry and a trade school
where the topic was what and how to train the students. I can verify
that industry as 'vested interest' wants the students to ONLY fix what
exists. They are taught what to think, not how to think. These meetings
take place on a regular basis because schools need the 'donations' from
industry and they want their students to be 'employable'.
I'm sorry to say that my experience is that this 'what to think' effect
is spread throughout the education system, including professions such as
'physicist'. Some are open-minded enough to actually look at
hair-brained 'alternative energy' ideas and try to educate when they see
an idea that won't work. Most of those that discover an idea that will
work simply disappear. I haunt old bookstores because I find them gold
mines of information that has been eliminated from current teaching.
I have never had a legitimate customer complaint, yet my business has
been investigated several times by various government and 'public
protection' agencies, because I sell 'fuel-saving' technology. I have
had my own telephone company tell me that my telephone was tapped. I
have had the post office 'lose' over $50,000 worth of customer orders.
These harassments are only a few of the barrage of suppression techniques
that I live with everyday.
I could go on and on, easily getting labeled as a "conspiracy addict".
Since I am an inventor in these technologies and have felt the
suppression in many ways, I believe I have the right, and perhaps
obligation, to tell people who live in comfortable niches that the
suppression they are not directly feeling, is in fact affecting their
lives.
We all could be living very much higher standards of living if only
technologies that already exist were not suppressed. In the course of my
'alternative energy' research, I recently developed a 'spin-off'
technique, using technology invented in the 1800's, to inherently
eliminate the 'phantom load' and 'inductive losses' experienced by most
transformer applications. In a lot of cases, particularly in small
appliances, this would cut power consumption by over 50%. This single
technique would save billions of watts. I can't even imagine how much
power it would have saved if it had been implemented from the beginning
of using AC electricity.
Anyone who thinks that suppression doesn't exist has simply not looked at
the facts. For example; spending only a day in the patent office, I
found that in the last 25 years there have been over 3500 fuel saver
patents. Not one of which is on the market. This is not because fuel
savers don't work, because I prove everyday that there are fuel savers
that do work. It is because the suppression mechanism is in place and
'self-propagated' by people who have no idea that they are part of the
process. They are only propagating what they were taught to.
I don't dwell on it but suppression is very much a reality in my life.
It is why I structure my business as I do. I am a self employed inventor
and have been since 1984. I do not patent, I distribute full facts on my
developments directly to the public and I do not sell 'devices' that
trigger the major suppression responses.
That's my 2 cents, I felt obligated to say it. It may not be fair but I
will not respond to discussion on this subject, it's already taken two
hours of my time to compose this email.
Thanks for reading.
George Wiseman
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>The COMPUTER that you used to send your message.
>
>The NETWORK servers, routers, and telephone lines that relayed your
>message.
>
>The ELECTRICAL POWER GRID that powers the above, as well as the light
>bulb illuminating your room and the heater keeping you warm.
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>The INTERNAL COMUSTION ENGINE that you rely on to get around town.
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>The RADIO, TELEVISION, and PHONE telecommunications equipment with
>which you keep in touch with the world.
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>The MEDICAL DIAGNOSTIC equipment (MRI, PET, EKG, etc) and
>PHARMACEUTICALS that help your doctor keep you healthy.
>
>... and the list goes on. Funny how so many "free energy" proponents
>and conspiracy addicts insist on saying that mainstream science and
>engineering has accomplished nothing worthwhile, despite all of the
>evidence around them. And most of them also seem to have an
>obsession with worldwide conspiracy theories about preventing
>technological progress (apparantly very well concealed conspiracies
>involving thousands of people for many decades) .
>
>Hey MT, open your eyes, and wake up from your dreamworld -- give
>credit where credit is due.
George Wiseman
President, CEO of Eagle-Research
http://www.eagle-research.com
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Message:
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:15:02 -0000
From: "Leo C."
Subject: Re: Suppression
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George,
Your are missing the point of my reply to Millenium Twain. In his
most recent paranoid rant, MT said:
"I realize that 90 percent of the 'physicists' in these groups are
simply here to block progress, to maintain the status quo of disinfo
and cointel -- preserve the monopology of western deception and
newspeak -- to regurgitate the same NOTHING they have been
programming us with for ten decades."
I countered by citing numerous examples of scientific advances
showing that physicists (and scientists and engineers in general)
have in recent years come up with a variety of stunning discoveries
and technologies. Scientists are NOT impeding progress -- on the
contrary, they continue (faster than ever) to bring to the public
new understanding and technologies to enhance our survival and
enjoyment.
In regards to your point, I did not say or imply that no one is
trying to suppress new technology. No doubt that many patents were
granted for technologies that supposedly improve gas mileage, or
even create free energy. After the U.S. Patent Office stopped
requiring working models, many impractical inventions could have
been awarded patents. But even if useful inventions have sometimes
been suppressed, it is not the scientists/inventors that are
suppressing it. Conspiracy claims in this forum often point out the
objectionable business tactic of buying the patents rights to an
emerging improved technology, then shelving it for the purpose of
protecting the status quo. But don't blame scientists for what goes
on in the business world once the patent rights have been sold. And
don't criticize the scientist for selling the rights to their
inventions -- they need to earn a living just like everyone else.
There is no mega-conspiracy among scientists (not even "90%" of
them) to suppress truth and progress. To keep parroting this
ridiculous paranoid conspiracy theory only hurts the search for free
energy. Free energy researchers could save themselves much time,
and improve their chances of success, if they use the accumulated
experience of generations of hands-on as a guide, instead of
embracing irrationality and paranoia. "Thinking out of the box"
does not require rejecting the contents of the box.
Scientific discovery is a noble and exciting path that comes
naturally to human beings. Despite the impediments of human greed
and ignorance, scientists and engineers will continue to improve our
understanding of nature and invent new technologies to support and
amaze us.
Leo C.
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Message:
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:31:42 -0700
From: George Wiseman
Subject: Re: Re: Suppression
>From: George Wiseman
>Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:22 am
>Subject: Re: [free_energy] Re: Suppression
>
>>Damn... I didn't want to spend more time on this, I have other
>>things to do. But I feel that the credibility of my research and
>>reputation is being addressed here. And I do what I can to erase
>>ignorance in those who are willing to learn.
>
>George, you have no credibility. Nothing to worry about.
Well, that's a relief :)))
>The brain deadders who believe in your quackery will continue to
>do so, regardless of how often or how thoroughly reality beats them
>over the head. And the people with backgrounds in chemistry,
>physics, engineering, etc., will continue to chuckle at your antics.
I'm OK with that. But you shouldn't be. The problem with 'conventional'
training is that it leads to the assumption that you know everything, or
enough to say that I'm wrong. You will get no respect from me (like you
care anyway :)) unless you at least look at my data. I had assumed
that's what this list was about. And I assure you that everyone on this
list do not share your attitude and some resent it.
>
>If your stuff really worked, you'd be famous and rich beyond your
>wildest dreams.
Bul----t. That is pure ignorance talking. You haven't done what I've
done or been in my shoes. I've got amazing stuff just sitting on the
shelf because I do not have time to market it. I've told thousands of
people about this stuff (like the HyCO 2DT) and not one has stepped up to
the plate to make themselves "famous and rich beyond your (their) wildest
dreams". The world does NOT beat a path to your door. This, rigid
unbelief, that you are exhibiting is much more typical and a very good
example of one of the vested interest suppression techniques. Teach What
to think, not How to think.
Let's take an example I've recently mentioned, elimination of inductive
reactance from step down transformers. I have developed this technique
to a workable art, where any person can design and build these
transformers on their kitchen table, using surplus materials, with no
knowledge of inductive theory or math. On an OEM level, this technique
will save billions of watts in just the elimination of 'phantom loads'.
I've done it with technology that's over 100 years old.
Do you know how I did it? Not likely. Because you have been taught
'conventionally' and the technique simply wouldn't occur to you. This is
just a spinoff of my research. This technology will save billions of
dollars, revolutionize the power supplies of nearly everything we use and
should be worth quite a bit, don't you think?
Yet I'll never get rich from it because I've made it too simple, anyone
can do it. So I am writing a book and telling everyone how to do it. It
is absolutely as I say and as soon as you see the technique you'll say
"of course, I could have thought of that!" But you wouldn't and that's
my point. My book comes out this Fall.
>In reality, you're just another internet crank
>selling amateurish "books" full of dreams and fantasies.
In reality, I get no respect because I'm not General Motors. I am not a
PhD and do not have a degree in anything. That does not mean I'm
uneducated and I do have an exceptional mechanical ability. I'm also
willing to admit when I'm wrong and actively seek peer review of my work.
My stuff works, period. I build it for myself. I use it myself. I
choose selling books because that's the ONLY way I could 'duplicate'
myself to get the technology actually applied in the marketplace. If you
don't believe that, fine, you are certainly entitled to your beliefs;
just remember beliefs are not facts.
A "crank", OK by me. My technology has helped over 70,000 people achieve
higher mileage since 1984. I build the best Brown's Gas electrolyzers on
the planet. I do my business in a straightforward and ethical manner.
If that's a crank then I'm proud to be one.
I'm doing OK for a crank. I find it ironic that you don't respect your
'science' enough to at least check out someone that has already been
helping people for decades.
You may not respect me, but only because you don't know me. The "brain
deadders who believe in your (my) quackery" believe so because my
innovations have helped them. I'm sure that they would be offended by
your attitude.
I'm busy and this is taking too much of my time. Respect me or not,
believe or not doesn't matter. What matters is "Does it work as I say it
does?" and the answer is YES. What matters is "Do I cheat anyone?" and
the answer is NO.
I tell the truth, always, and if you choose not to check it out then you
are not being true to the spirit of this egroup.
Remember guys, we're not here to attack people. We are here to find
solutions. Several times people on this egroup have helped me personally
and I am very grateful for this resource.
George Wiseman
George Wiseman
President, CEO of Eagle-Research
http://www.eagle-research.com
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