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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:58 am    Post subject: Question: Spiral Galaxies and Hurricanes? Reply with quote

I'm no scientist, just curious.

In looking at a Hubble photo of a spiral galaxy and having been through two hurricanes last year, caused me to notice the similarity of structure.

Question: Is there any consistency to the direction of rotation of spiral galaxies?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand your question.

Are you asking if there is a causal or conected relationship between huricanes and the spiral of the Milky Way?
Or are you just asking if huricains have a cosistant structure or rotation?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

106 wrote:
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Good answer to the right question. But what does it have to do with

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually goes counter clockwise.
Unless you're in the Southern Hemisphere. Laughing
or NGC4622.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Question: Spiral Galaxies and Hurricanes? Reply with quote

CWhite wrote:
I'm no scientist, just curious.

In looking at a Hubble photo of a spiral galaxy and having been through two hurricanes last year, caused me to notice the similarity of structure.

Question: Is there any consistency to the direction of rotation of spiral galaxies?


In the absence of clarification I would say the Coriolis effect is the definitive answer.

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/fw/crls.rxml
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the pressure gradient force?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pressure gradient force is more a factor in the searing forces that determine a storms path.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embarassed my bad
Reference:
http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadFAQ/BadCoriolisFAQ.html

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It is correct that the Coriolis force causes a moving object to experience a force to the right (left) of its path in the northern (southern) hemisphere. It is not correct that this necessarily produces a clockwise rotation. The direction of rotation (if any at all) depends upon the net force, not just a single force.

One must distinguish between the direction of deviation caused by the Coriolis force (operating on its own) and the direction of rotation (when other forces are present). Both directions of rotation are evident in both hemispheres depending upon the whether the flow is around a high pressure area (the pressure gradient force points radially outward) or around a low (the pressure gradient force points radially inward).In a geophysical flow, such as motion in the atmosphere or oceans, there is always some other force operating (such as the pressure gradient force) or how else would the material have started to move.

The illustration at the right shows a situation for a northern hemisphere low. The Coriolis force (Cf) does indeed point to the right of the flow. But it is slightly over balanced by the pressure gradient force (pgf) which points toward the center of the low (the imbalance is what causes the fluid to move along a curved path).

A good way to convince yourself of this behavior is to watch the direction of rotation seen in radar and satellite loops of storms. It is very easy to see the counterclockwise rotation around the low pressure areas in the (northern) hemisphere storms.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff! Very Happy


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok Very Happy

referance: IMPLOSION TECHNOLOGY

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The "Energy body" for rivers: egg shaped bodies creating longitudinal vortices in the central water flow. The longitudinal vortex creates a cooler, condenser, faster flowing central water mass which is the mechanism by which the river carves out it's own desired flow path, and which trout and salmon use to migrate up the rivers for spawning. Many problems we experience with rivers and streams, e.g. flooding after some rain, are a result of human interference with the forests and the actual flow-path of rivers. Canalization and dredging are about the worst things to do to a natural river. These problems can best be solved by helping such a river re-establish it's natural, dynamic flow pattern. These "energy bodies" are described by Schauberger to yield dramatic, positive, changes in the riverbed formation within a very short time span.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Energy body" sounds kind of fishy to me... Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya, but I couldn't find a better reference for the diagram of the vortex generator you posted. The last time I studied longitudinal vortices was in a Fluid Dynamics project for my physics class.

Nice drawing but I can't read the script. I get "first vi**t .*f the object flza **pr*mrt'rzy ,**mres looking down on it"
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Razz

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